scoobzie

does anyone think it would be worth the money my car is a my00 2000 turbo i am looking for 500/500 but this package gets me near that figure and its a drop off pickup service i would like to here your thought on this and if possible problems anyone has encountered regards scoobzie

corradoboy

At £9k (+ whatever yours is worth) I'd be thinking of selling the classic and moving up to something newer. When you consider they recommend £2.7k of gearbox work too, you could be lining yourself up for an enormous bill, especially if you haven't already got brakes and suspension to control that kind of power. My own personal opinion, proven consistently over many years is that a truly fast road car is more about handling and balance than massive power. There was a guy used to post on here that had a 500bhp bugeye whom admitted that he wouldn't stand a cats against my humble 260bhp 03 WRX PPP on any challenging A/B road in Britain, as I could confidently use my power where he'd be sliding and lurching all over the place, scared of losing traction in case the revs went through the roof, quickly followed by the pistons and terrified of every piece of wet, gravel or cow **** on the road, even bumps and crests. If you're after a drag-strip weapon then go for it, but if it's a road machine then think long and hard. With the state of the market and economy now due to tax and fuel there are some superb cars struggling to get decent prices. £13k could see you in a blobeye JDM STi, possibly with some decent chassis/suspension upgrades. My mate just PX'd his Litchfield JDM STi Type 20 running 320bhp with the full T25 AST/Whiteline package for IRO £13k and that was amongst the best road cars I have ever driven, with a superb balance of power/handling. On a good day it was one of the few cars I struggled to reign in, but 400+ classics were easy prey unless there were lots of straights for them to stretch their legs. Your money, your choice, my opinion.

scoobzie

its just 2 bee used on the 1/4 mile m8

corradoboy

Then forget all I said

boxsterboy

My T25 running 460 BHP never used to feel too powerful/scary for the road.

corradoboy

That I don't doubt, I drove Iain's T25 demo car and it was awesome. The point I was making is that so many people are obsessed with huge power that they forget about controlling it. The AST/Whiteline kit on the T25/20, and fitted to my own humble WRX PPP works very well, as you well know. Many big power cars out there don't have such composure and as such become difficult to drive and their potential is therefore compromised, making a mockery of the hard work and investment.

Tidgy

bear in mind clinics package come with the gearbox and clutch (when you ask for it) and tbh your gonna struggle to get that sort of power, reliably (the development car competed in shootout this year and was only 0.8 seconds off the gobstoppers time after 4 years being in the car )

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

gerabox is 3k + not 2700 i had one there been a great buy so far, plus you wont get 500 out of sc 46

I cant recall what comes in clinics 450 pacage for 9k i had box turbo and clutch and headers and mannifold that nearly was 9k never mind any engine work

3500 box
1500 turbo
1500 clutch
headers .uppipe 600
mannifold parrelel fuel rails 1700
£8800

Then you got a full build
rods
cams
pistons
heads
injectors
plugs
stell head gaskets
apr head bolts ect ect ect

2.0 ,2.3 2.5 depending on what youre planning the prices are not cheap .

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

As we all know 0.8 at them times is a huge difference

Tidgy

for £450k price difference i don't think it is somehow

Tidgy

the sc450, if you have gearbox and clutch as well its a drive in drive out package, everything is included

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

so on top of the 9k you got box £3500 and clutch £1500 = £14 000 if you dont all rdy have them also you are not guaranteed 450 this must be said

Tidgy

your not gaurentied any power figures from any source you got to. but i do know they have had 450/480 out fo the development car, and then several since then have made 460bhp. you pay's your money you takes your choice.

so back to the origional question, where can you get that sort of figure, for that kinda money?

Tidgy

o and also its 12k for the package including box and clutch (+ vat)

Tidgy

( y do all the bloody tuners never have vat on the prices grrr)

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

Im on the originall question 9k cant get u 450/500 simple... tlking about figures for money you cant get a standard car to 450/500 for 9k as i know from clinics exsperience, rcm, and zen also the devolpment car compared to a customers you can not compare the dev one has prob been mapped and on rollers many many times and as we know is a stripped out race car...

I have not read about it titgy i been there done it mate

£12k + vat £14100

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

well most have price then at bottom all parts are + vat just needs a little working out and makes you think its cheaper than it realls is going to be

Tidgy

sucks dunnit lol


what ever the experiance etc, then how can you get near that figure without spending that sort of cash?

im looking at going to that or above that level soon, and no one has been able to quote me anywhere near that price.

BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

Thought you was nearly there 450 ish every time i was at clinic u was there having something done im sure for 20k you can get 500 -500 from various garages buy a 2k car spend 18k then your be there..

On the other hand a nice safe 400 -400 is well less on cost as you wont need massive turbo clutch and box saving u 5k.

I have seen some nice cars all rdy built for sale for 8-10k 400+

Tidgy

you can, strap a big turbo to any car and you'll get 500bhp, for two mins, then your picking up the bits of broken block.

but saying you can pay this and nearly get that is a bit like saying i can put a decat on and i'm nearly at 500bhp.


400/400 isn't possible on the current engine, so your gonna need a rebiuld no mater what, yes you can get it cheaper than that if you drop the results your aiming for (were on abotu a uk turbo here).

on the other hand i know folks who have spent 20k and not got 400bhp, so the door swings both ways.

all in al the sc450 is a cracking package and im not aware of any, with similar results, that are anywhere near that price.

scoobzie

i am not looking to get 500/500 out my current engine i would be looking at a new block i am going down the cosworth parts route from raw performance so that i get reliability from the engine i have been told this will be costly but the engine will possibly take more power if need be any thought are most welcome regards scoobzie

scoobzie

has anyone used pennine subaru before

dazdavies

iTrader: (22)

Pennine Subaru have an excellent reputation. I spoke to Chy about his closed deck 2.5 blocks and he certainly knows his onions.

You could turn a standard car into a 500/500 for £9k but you'd have to do all the work yourself. I've done just that and for a fair bit less. Mind you that's with a few second hand parts here and there. Turbo £500 off ebay, injectors £100 off here etc. But I can categorically say it can be done.


As tuner packages go though the SC one is a very good deal. Before I learnt to do stuff myself I paid TSL £8500 for an average forged build on my RB5. The workmanship wasn't average but the parts were.
CP pistons, eagle rods, crappy headers that have been rewelded several times.

All the £8500 build included was crank, rods, pistons bearings, headers, remap and a port and polish on the heads.

No turbo, no injectors, no FPR no fuel pump no new induction etc.

So i'd say the SC package is very very good value for money for a "drive in drive out let somebody else do it and it comes with a warranty solution"

If you're handy with the spanners have a go yourself if not then the SC450 package has to be very attractive indeed.

dunx

iTrader: (3)

LOL ! I'd like to, but he's probably too busy !

DunxC

bigarf

iTrader: (67)

have just had a 2.5l cdb built and fitted by pennine, picked my car up last week but have been running it in all week so carnt realy say what power its making just yet.hopefully i should be taking it back down today for mapping.

banny sti

iTrader: (68)

Had a 2.5 cdb engine in an sti 5 built by Chy at Pennine, and here is the end result after mapping, I would say it cost in the region of 10k all done.

The majority of parts came from Mark @ Lateral and some 2nd hand parts from scoobynet and 22b members.




Banny