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Old 18 April 2008, 04:47 PM
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I have now got my cage fitted - I am very very pleased with it

As an off the shelf solution didn't exist outside of the cusco cages, I had to commission one to be made, but now this pattern exists it is open to everyone

At present it is a rear cage but all measurements have been taken to add in door bars and front sections later in the year once I have got used to sitting in a load of iron



























































































I have to say thanks to Ross for pointing me in the direction of SHP

They have now produced the only bolt in removeable cage in existance for Newage Subaru's

If anyone is interested in getting a bolt in cage for their newage gove them a call, they can do with the rear rear cross like I have or diagonal & harness bars or any other combination 8)

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Old 18 April 2008, 05:16 PM
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Can't see the pics at work.

But, come on, tell me what the point of a rollcage is if you're not on track or into motorsport??
Old 18 April 2008, 05:19 PM
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time attack and nurburgring-gaz
i dont think you have taken enoughpics though
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Aye, i viewed his scooby.

I just wandered if anyone would fit one and why, if they weren't tracking it. Any benefit? (apart from if you roll).
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Originally Posted by GazTheHat
Can't see the pics at work.

But, come on, tell me what the point of a rollcage is if you're not on track or into motorsport??
I think if you saw the pictures, you would realise how daft that question was.

This is my Time Attack car and is on track very frequently

The cage does not come into contact with the driver or front seat passenger area in any way shape or form nor does it require having the seat in an incorrect position and gives lots of clearance with a helmet on.

There are some people that put cages in their cars because they think they look good. I have to say that if they were to do that with this cage on a normal road going car, it would be safe due to the lack of head banging action without helmets on.
Old 18 April 2008, 05:23 PM
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it is supposed to make you look cool and also dramatically stiffen chassis thus improve handling-a real pain though if you drive on the road
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Originally Posted by p1doc
time attack and nurburgring-gaz
i dont think you have taken enoughpics though
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Thankfully I didnt take any of them - SHP did them all and supplied them on CD for me.
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Doubt half a roll cage would do much TBH, Full weld in or dont bother all IMHO.
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Not a daft question, i know you're into motorsport, i was talking about the proverbial "you".

It's just that there's a Honda CRX i parked next to sometimes and he's got a rollcage in it.

I wandered what the point is, if "you're" not into motorsport. Thanks for reply anyway Martin, stiffens it up (a lot).
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Originally Posted by 172sport
Doubt half a roll cage would do much TBH, Full weld in or dont bother all IMHO.
Full weld in is not going to happen as this is still a full use road car that is my everyday driver and occasional shopping car as well as being my Time Attack wheels. Would you suggest that I am safer not having a cage ?????

The main hoop and cross section are full MSA spec and will provide very good chassis and passenger area protection in the event of a roll. The front section will go in later in the year.
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[QUOTE= Thanks for reply anyway Martin, stiffens it up (a lot).[/QUOTE]

not too sure how to take that-pmsl
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Oops. It sounded so different in my head and when typing.
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Originally Posted by GazTheHat
Not a daft question, i know you're into motorsport, i was talking about the proverbial "you".

It's just that there's a Honda CRX i parked next to sometimes and he's got a rollcage in it.

I wandered what the point is, if "you're" not into motorsport. Thanks for reply anyway Martin, stiffens it up (a lot).
I have only driven it for 10 miles since it has been in and have noticed less flex due to a lot less rattles/squeaks and creaks. It will make a bigger difference at speed on track. The CRX may well get used on track - you just dont know. Having seen some of the cars that were out on track in the Publick track Time at Donington I wouldnt be surprised by anything
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Full weld in is not going to happen as this is still a full use road car that is my everyday driver and occasional shopping car as well as being my Time Attack wheels. Would you suggest that I am safer not having a cage ?????

The main hoop and cross section are full MSA spec and will provide very good chassis and passenger area protection in the event of a roll. The front section will go in later in the year.
Possibly yes.
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That looks fantastic, now the pattern is made, do you know how much that would cost.
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Its around the same sort of price as a 'show cage' from the likes of cusco as a fitted price but if you are interested give them a shout - Sonny would let you know for definite I am sure.
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Originally Posted by 172sport
Possibly yes.
Safer not having one? On what basis?
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Originally Posted by dynamix
Its around the same sort of price as a 'show cage' from the likes of cusco as a fitted price but if you are interested give them a shout - Sonny would let you know for definite I am sure.

I think I might just do that, going to go a different route with the scoob this year, and hopefully it will involve a lot of tracks
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My reckoning would be you have now negated many crumple zones and therefore now concentrated them to the front only, given the "right" sort of impact i would expect it to perform worse in an accident compared to a full or no cage car. Heard a couple of horror stories off a prep company, of cars snapping but i find that very hard to believe.
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Originally Posted by 172sport
My reckoning would be you have now negated many crumple zones and therefore now concentrated them to the front only, given the "right" sort of impact i would expect it to perform worse in an accident compared to a full or no cage car. Heard a couple of horror stories off a prep company, of cars snapping but i find that very hard to believe.
How has this particular cage negated any crumple zones? As far as can see it hasn't extended past the passenger compartment - which you most certainly do not want acting as a crumple zone.

Even in a full on weld in cage - they only go as far as the front/rear struts, so you still retain the front and rear crumple zones of a modern car. The argument that in the "right" sort of accident you'll come off worse with a properly certificated cage is the same sort of argument people use for not wearing a seatbelt - and just as silly in my opinion. In the vast majority of incidents where the cage would come under stress, your better off having one than not (IMO).

To argue that in 5% (for arguments sake) of accidents your worse off having a cage than not seems just like misplaced logic to me - I'd rather be safe in 95% of accidents rather than the 5% personally!

I'm not saying the half cage is ideal (and I don't think Duncan would either), but being able to leave the rear half in and simply bolt the door/roof bars in when you arrive at track makes it extremely practical. If you've got a track slag and thats all it gets used for - then a full weld in cage is great - its hardly a practical solution for most is it?

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Looks good, do you have any more pics?
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Why have you not used the harness bars to mount your belts to?
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Looks good....looks like it was a pain in the ar$e to make!

The way I see it, is that this must make it safer in an accident. Assuming it's fitted well enough that it wouldn't move, it must make the passenger compartment more rigid and less likely to be crushed. The crumple zones are outside the passenger compartment and in an accident it's the passenger compartment that is supposed to stay in tact and not crumple.
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Originally Posted by Puff The Magic Wagon!
Duncan

Why have you not used the harness bars to mount your belts to?
These were pictures that they took for me of the build process.

The harnesses are now on the harness bars so at the proper angle to the seats The harness bars include threaded eye bolt holes too but my harnesses support wrap around.
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