RSM

Hello.

Well I bought a 97 scoob uk model but it has a starting problem.

The chap before said that someone jumped it with 24v and since then its never ran.

He said it needed a new ecu.

I took the car to forsters in Wolves and Ivan the owner changed the ecu and recoded the key.. but its still the same.

It tries to fire at times but then just gives up.. ive got an error code of 53 which according to subaru is immobilisor.

Ive changed plugs, leads, sometimes there is a spark then there aint.

The engine always turns over, and the key transponder light of the dash doesnt light up to indicate a key mismatch problem.

I have seen a black immobilisor control module mounted to the underside dash panel locate below the steering column.. Can anyone shed some light on what this module does? can it be swapped with another without recoding the ecu?

Ive checked compression fuel.. and all is well.

Anyone out there got any other ideas or give me a number of someone that does know these cars inside out.

Cheers

George

RSM

Doesnt anyone have a clue?

RSM

Well this is interesting..

Ive spoken to 2 so called subaru specialists and to be honest they dont seem to know the cars at all..

This website was recommended and no one seems to have a clue here either..

Well if anyone can be brave and shed some light on this please do come forward.

I might start doing these cars myself, especially if no one can sort it out...

so come on scooby boffins... have a go at trying to give some pointers...

George

RSM

Great site this.. no one seems to have a clue !!!

The cars been to 3 so called subaru out fits and still no one can fix it..

I know whats wrong with it, just no one can send out the correct part.

I was willing to try a subaru to see what they were like...

So far im not impressed with either the tuning outfits or the forums..

I deal with MG`s and can honestly say what a difference there is with regards technical help on various forums..

If no one can either give advice or advise where i can obtain this module i need, then i will break the god dam car..

So Ive given this tuning outfit till tuesday to supply the module as requested over a week ago, or my dosh back.. and then break the car.

So is anyone going to stop aa scooby getting broken up?

Very dismayed forum user.

Shark Man

Mate, all the poeple with true knowledge left this forum about five to six years ago when an influx of feejits drove them away with inane questions.

Thus now it's all "whats the best dump valve and exhaust " ad infinium etc

Anyhoo.



You need to sort that immobilser code. The factory immobiliser will let the engine momentariliy fire whilst it tries to read the key, but upon several failed read attempts will cut the spark - this is why sometime it may try to momentarily run.


The box directly under the ignition switch is the transponder reader: its just a coil that reads the chip inside the key. The immobilser ECU is under the driver's side dash...that is coded to the key, and inturn comunitcates to the ECU

It could be duff, or it the incorrct one for that particular ECU you've fitted. Or it may not correctly coded to the key. I presume you tried the spare keys.

Or it could be an entirely different fault - presuming all relays, fuses and fusible links have been checked out (both in passenger compartment and engine bay). Not to forget other factors like the Crank Sensor and Cam sensor etc.


And just a small thing to remember, transponder chip type immobilsers don't like have two ignition keys on the same keyring, especially if the other key is for another car or isn't coded right. But usually this will give usually intermittant non-start rather than a complete non-starter.

Other than that, cannot do anything else to diagnose a car by proxy.

marty24

Have you given up on rovers George Lets just hope you behave with the scoobys

FLAT ERIC

iTrader: (1)

Why ever would you buy a car that had been jumped by a numpty with 24 volts in the first place? I hope you didn't pay much for it.

Buying a non-runner is always a leap of faith. If they were inept enough to abuse the sensitive electronics what else has it suffered?

Not really a good history to start with.

If you break it make sure you mention all the electrics have been fried before you get flooded with offers. Wouldn't want anyone buying a duff component.

Mark

Gizzmo

Tried ScoobyClinic?
They seem very knowledgable.

marty24

Think he forgot to mention the 24v in this add

1997 SUBARU IMPREZA TURBO 2000 AWD BLUE on eBay, also, Subaru, Cars, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 05-Feb-08 19:50:26 GMT)

Gizzmo

Doesn't mention that it doesn't run either

FLAT ERIC

iTrader: (1)

Bit of an oversight. Unless it's all mended now of course.

Mark

leigh4x4

RSM

Not given up on Rovers, but they are being overtaken by Jap stuff now so looking into what the subarus are like.

I got the correct part in the end.. A big thanks to Grade A !!!!

Not selling the suabaru now.. gonna give them a go for a bit.

Cheers to the guy with the knowledge above..

George

Shark Man

Grade A are a good bunch

What was the problem in the end?

RSM

Well, it was intersting to find out that there WASNT any chips in either of the 2 keys that i was given with the car !.....

So the reason code 53 was coming up was because it wasnt reading any chipped key !

So I got a matched ecu, code reader,and chip from Grade A parts for a very respectable 175.00 quid, essex subaru refunded my money today after receiving back a column they sent me...

I do not believe that the car was ever jumped started with 12 volts, I believe that whoever had the car in for work previously with the other keeper, they removed the chip from the key so it wouldnt start and that the owner would end up either selling the car cheap, or paying through the nose to get it dignosed.

worrying thing is, it DID go to a main agents for diagnosis, they replaced an aerial under the coloumn and spent 4 hours on it and still didnt realise it had no chip.. they wanted more time for diagnosis.

so unlucky chappy me says.

Cheers for ya advice anyway matey, at least i now have 2 coontact details.. yours for advice and grade a for parts.

Regards

George

green un

''I took the car to forsters in Wolves and Ivan the owner changed the ecu and recoded the key.. but its still the same''

so this subaru ''specialist'' charged you for a ecu and to reprograme the chip in the key?

RSM

Thats what it initially went to foresters for.. But when he id change the ecu and code it in, the fault remained so he put the original ecu back.

He then checked over everything else and also did a compression test and checked the timing.

His charge for what he did was in my eyes very reasonable.

Anyway, the fact remains he tried....

What was the relevance of your post green un?

George

RSM

green un

RSM. i thought ivan had charged you for the ecu and to reprogram a key that had no chip in it. thats all me ole china