Road Blockades this Saturday!
10 December 2007, 01:18 PM
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It would be better to block the refinaries. and stop the fuel being sold.
Oh no, wait. The Government made that illegal and threatened to bring in the Army next time and shoot everyone.
Oh no, wait. The Government made that illegal and threatened to bring in the Army next time and shoot everyone.
10 December 2007, 02:10 PM
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TBH , none of these will make any difference.
the only way to do any form of protest is to stop buying petrol/diesel.
But as we all know, that will never happen.
the only way to do any form of protest is to stop buying petrol/diesel.
But as we all know, that will never happen.
10 December 2007, 02:39 PM
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Got to be honest here, I wish they would cut the tax on petrol as everyone except environmentalists does. But don’t think it's likely with oil being so pricy at the moment.
So yes, try and do something about it, but an ill thought out Saturday morning?? Right before Christmas when the general population are going about their Christmas shopping, yes, it might hit the economy but all its going to do is annoy people thus loosing support…
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but think it’s a ridiculous day to suggest. That’s my pennies worth.
So yes, try and do something about it, but an ill thought out Saturday morning?? Right before Christmas when the general population are going about their Christmas shopping, yes, it might hit the economy but all its going to do is annoy people thus loosing support…
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but think it’s a ridiculous day to suggest. That’s my pennies worth.
10 December 2007, 03:28 PM
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Got to be honest here, I wish they would cut the tax on petrol as everyone except environmentalists does. But don’t think it's likely with oil being so pricy at the moment.
So yes, try and do something about it, but an ill thought out Saturday morning?? Right before Christmas when the general population are going about their Christmas shopping, yes, it might hit the economy but all its going to do is annoy people thus loosing support…
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but think it’s a ridiculous day to suggest. That’s my pennies worth.
So yes, try and do something about it, but an ill thought out Saturday morning?? Right before Christmas when the general population are going about their Christmas shopping, yes, it might hit the economy but all its going to do is annoy people thus loosing support…
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but think it’s a ridiculous day to suggest. That’s my pennies worth.
No matter what day they do it, it will annoy certain people. People want lower fuel prices just as long as it doesn't inconvenience them.
The Government need to announce a cap on fuel prices. Say £1.00/litre. If Oil prices rise, then they reduce duty to enable the capped £1.00/litre. When/if Oil prices reduce, then they add the duty back, upto the 56p, no more. Otherwise they'd just add duty to keep them at £1.00/litre.
Will be interesting to see if the Government go ahead with it's planned Duty rise in April.
10 December 2007, 03:39 PM
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Capping the price of petrol would be good, would be easy to do as well - but I cant see it happening as the Goverment dont want to lose the ludicrious amount of tax they make out of each litre of fuel sold !
Now if say 50% of the tax they made was ploughed back into the road infrastructure / transport needs then I for one would not resent the cost of petrol so much !
Richard
Ps happy for the blockage to go ahead on Sat - I've done all my xmas shopping !
Now if say 50% of the tax they made was ploughed back into the road infrastructure / transport needs then I for one would not resent the cost of petrol so much !
Richard
Ps happy for the blockage to go ahead on Sat - I've done all my xmas shopping !
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The UK army wouldn't be that dumb, so I say give it a go!!
That said, they might call in the US
10 December 2007, 03:52 PM
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10 December 2007, 05:09 PM
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Isn't the UK a net oil producing country? Or did the North Sea just dry up?
I can't help but feel there ought to be some mechanism whereby UK citizens actually benefit from high oil prices. After all, nobody would argue that, say, Saudi Arabia would be better off if the value of oil went through the floor.
I can't help but feel there ought to be some mechanism whereby UK citizens actually benefit from high oil prices. After all, nobody would argue that, say, Saudi Arabia would be better off if the value of oil went through the floor.
10 December 2007, 05:47 PM
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Not for several years now I believe - Peak Oil for the North Sea has passed. And anyway, most of the local oil isn't suitable for making petrol IIRC.
And I always love the irony of HGV drivers protesting the fuel charges. On average a UK registered lorry brings in about £25k a year in revenue - tax, fuel duty etc. It does over £27k-worth of damage to the roads and general infrastructure in the same time. That's not including I believe, the cost of the accidents which they are twice as likely to be involved in as numbers on the road would suggest. (Figures are from around the time of the last fuel strike, and will be somewhat different now. But AFAIK the general principle is still true)
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On the other hand, the benefit they bring to the economy by transporting stuff around is a great deal higher than that; it's not really meaningful to regard the net contribution to the economy per HGV as being just the taxes paid by its operator.
(Example: consider the value of a barrel of beer physically located in the pub where it's needed, vs the value of that same barrel located at the brewery where nobody is there to drink it. Logistics matter!)
The problem for hauliers is that that their profit is the difference between two large numbers - what they get paid per load minus their overhead. As any mathematician knows, the effect of this is that a small percentage change in either one of those numbers makes a disproportionate difference to the bottom line. So, whilst a 10% increase in fuel costs might cost you or I, say, £20 a month - the cost of a pub lunch for two - it's make or break for someone whose business is moving stuff around.
(Example: consider the value of a barrel of beer physically located in the pub where it's needed, vs the value of that same barrel located at the brewery where nobody is there to drink it. Logistics matter!)
The problem for hauliers is that that their profit is the difference between two large numbers - what they get paid per load minus their overhead. As any mathematician knows, the effect of this is that a small percentage change in either one of those numbers makes a disproportionate difference to the bottom line. So, whilst a 10% increase in fuel costs might cost you or I, say, £20 a month - the cost of a pub lunch for two - it's make or break for someone whose business is moving stuff around.
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So... has the panic buying started near you yet?
Nothing unusual around here so far, which I'm surprised about given that tomorrow was the original date for the 'action' to take place.
A beer says it's chaos by Sunday afternoon though!!
Nothing unusual around here so far, which I'm surprised about given that tomorrow was the original date for the 'action' to take place.
A beer says it's chaos by Sunday afternoon though!!
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