BooSH

Hi guys i'm currently looking for an blobeye sti ppp, but i'm finding it hard to find one suitable with the ppp fitted in my budget, but i've came across a few sti's without it fitted which are ideal, if you were in my shoes would you consider getting one without the ppp or would i regret not holding out, is there much of a difference in performance between the 2 cars ?

Anderooo

If you are going to modify the car yourself then I would certainly purchase one without the PPP and save yourself the extra cash. If you aren't looking at further modification then it can be a good buy.

Personally I purchased a PPP and didn't like the way it drove, but that was just my preference. So I ended up modifying it anyway.

BooSH

I'm not looking to modify it in anyway tbh, which is why i initially liked the sound of the ppp because it was factory fitted and had proven reliability, and gives it increased resell-ability, where as i could buy a standard sti and take it to lets say scoobyclinic and they do a similar package for £1600 but in my eyes would probably de-value he car.
Because i haven't drove an sti with the ppp fitted just wanted to know if there is a significant performance increase in one with the ppp installed

urban

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You'll probably get many responses saying to get a custom map done - better value blah blah blah.

I have an MY05 STI with PPP
PPP this time was fiitted at the 1K service.
I had also an MY02 STI which had the PPP fitted after probably a year and a half.

I makes a lot of difference to the car.
It make it much more driveable with a wider powerband.
If I remember correctly the non PPP STI wasn't that special until 4K on the rev counter.

Probably best advice is to either be driven in a PPP STI, or even better find someone who'll let you have a quick go.

Then decide.

Shaun

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iTrader: (41)

Financially speaking, buying an STi with PPP already fitted is worthwhile. PPP is better than the standard car but at a price, therefore if someone else has taken the hit, happy days !

Buying PPP as an aftermarket tuning package for an out/nearly out of warranty car is not.

It does add value to the car but not disproportionately to the rate at which its devaluing anyway.

Modifying a car using alternative routes with the same parts is cheaper and does not devalue your car at the point of sale. Simply keep the parts and pay a couple of hours labour to put back to standard. Sell the performance parts or use on your next scoob. Either way you are quids in.

PPP is not the best transformation of an already capable STi, (although the marketing might suggest otherwise) it is just a few parts and 3 hours labour which can be replicated quite easily at less cost.

Buying a STi minter is better than a lesser condition PPP STi.

bmac800

Wait till the right car with the PPP fitted comes along it makes a big difference.I ran my MY05 STI standard for two years from new and got the PPP fitted at the last service and it transforms the car.A car with the PPP fitted will be a bit more expensive but a lot less than buying a 260hp one and fitting the PPP.

The Chief

Agree with Anderoo, have your own done, TSL do a good conversion as well as Scoobyclinic, Powerstation all have good repuatations

The Chief

TSL MOTORSPORT | Subaru Saab Mitsubishi | parts | repair | servicing | performance tuning | UK

davedipster

If I was buying a used sti I would always go for the ppp'd one, just this mod makes it a fantastic car.
A remapped sti is really not much faster than a ppp'd car on the road, you need a turbo change to pull any distance.
That's my experiance anyway, ppp everyday.

BooSH

It's worth hanging on for a ppp then i think, only downer is everything and i mean everything runs out on my current rust bucket this month, looks like i might be using the train if one doesn't show up soon, it's been a long time since i used public transport.

anthscooby01

Wait for a PPP one. Standard STI feels lazy till about 4k revs. PPP pulls strong from just over 2k all the way to 7k. Much better drive!

Anderooo

I disagree sorry to say. My car before with the PPP has no chance in hell in staying anywhere near the boot of my car now!

I have a 2003 STI which was purchased as a PPP. Having never driven a standard STI I really was none the wiser and was blown away with the performance of the car. I was comparing to my last car which was a Honda Civic Type R (EP3). Having owned the car for several months I got to know it pretty well and it wasn't long before I notice actually how poorly the power band was, how garbage it was at over taking cars on the road and how I actually though I was back to driving a VTEC engine. Since I had to work the gear box hard just to get past other cars on the road.

After a dyno day at prosport in Manchester it really did show how complete and utter garbage the PPP really is. 285bhp on two seperate runs (different days) show you are no where near the 300bhp you are meant to get. The torque curve is rubbish it is about as smooth as a gravel pit and it ran out of steam at 5000rpm which you could actually feel as the car just died a death.

I decided I had purchased a fast saloon car and that's want I actually wanted. I went to TSL and had their PPP to 333 conversation. I have been running that for months now and it is the best thing I actually did. This is how my car should have left the factory! No longer am I chasing gears just to get past Miis Daisy driving at 30mph the car explodes in any gear at 3000rpm and there is no let up in power until the rev limiter kicks in somewhere past 7000rpm. That's any gear 1st to 6th I have had PPP owners and standard STI owners just sit there and can't believe the difference to how there's pulls.

Yes its not the fastest most powerful car here and never will be but compared to the garbage that I drove when I bought it there is no comparison. It now has 331lb/ft torque and a curve line that looks like the trail from the space shuttle at launch! It goes north and keeps going north.

Personally save yourself the money buy a standard STI and get a proper custom map.

writeofreply

Out of warranty period I think better gains can be had for less money by going the map/exhaust route yourself.

urban

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Sorry, but its impossible for the car to have left the factory like this.

Anderooo

But you know what I meant.

urban

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Yeah.

The other things that folk forget about the PPP

You keep warranty intact.

You're custom map is just that - a specific custom map done on a specific day with specific weather conditions.
If that done in summer time, will it still run well in Winter time.

What if you can only get normal unleaded - will it cope with that too?

I think for the price the PPP is and with what you actually get then its pretty good value for money overall.
Plus adds some value to the resale price of the car.

turboturner

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I went for a a standard 05 sti no PPP..Had a Ecutek 3 map done and now the car does 293 BHP..With orig exhaust, filter and fuel pump apart from a 2nd cat bypass pipe..Mapped to Optimax 99.

lestippp

I have a 05 STi PPP, and the car is awesome. Wide power band, explosive pace and great noise.

I also have owned two CTR's and a R32 (mk4) but they were slow next to this car (loved both types of car bye the way, vtec brilliant and 3.2 V6 burble was tremendous). If you are having trouble overtaking Ms Daisy, I suggest you have the car checked because something is very wrong with it.

Everyone seems to forget that the standard STi is a legend, with the PPP it is just more driveable, with a little more grunt and an intact warranty.

Before everyone starts, I know this isn't the fastest car on the road, but there certainly aren't many standard, approved, warrantied, models on the road that will out pace it , now is there!!

So to answer the OP's question.... STi PPP all the way, you will not be disappointed, Oh and get it in Black because they go even faster!!

terzo204

BooSH: I was in a similar position to you when buying 19 months ago.

I ended up buying an STI PPP and then when the warranty ran out modding it. Let someone else take the hit and then when you fancy a change you can mod the car to your own taste. Just remember - modding will not necesserally devalue the car, but if you sell a car with the mods on it you will more than likely not get your investment back.

BTW - I don't believe the claims about "what about a car mapped in the summer, will it be ok in the winter". Do we really think the mappers have not already thought about this?

And I totally agree with lestippp - Black cars are quicker. FACT

Terminator X

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If the OP can't afford a STi with PPP then why not check other STi's improved via TSL, Powerstation etc? There is nothing to lose in doing this & he may even be surprised to find a "better" STi for less money than the PPP ones. Can someone remind me who the Big Players are here other than PPP, ta.

Post #12 is very good BTW

TX.

terzo204

Could'nt agree more.

BooSH

Even without ppp fitted the car would have to be considerably less than one with ppp fitted to a afford the £1600+vat of the TSL 333 upgrade, which tbh there not that cheaper. I've seen the one in the for sale section at the minute, which looks interesting, and it's in black ! (would prefer blue though)

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iTrader: (41)

PMSL at these PPP threads !

Both modification routes have there place. There are very good financial and performance reason for choosing either one over the other. Its good that there are options for a variety of owners based on price/brand loyalty/performance etc etc...

PPP is 'good' but at a price, you can do 'better' but then we all buy STi's with different car backgrounds and expectations.

In answer to the OP original question, yes get one with the PPP. There are tangible benefits over the standard car which are worth having if someone else has taken the price hit.

Longer term, if it doesn't suit, you are in a nice position to research different modifications adding them at your leisure. Certainly having the PPP is a good basis to modify further.

From a personal point of view, I knew enough to know I could do better than the PPP in terms of what I wanted from my car. View My Scooby.

New_scooby_04

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Keep it simple for the poster:

PPP = Only route for retaining factory warranty, better resale value, improvement over std

DIY Mods = (If you do your homework and use specialists who know what they're doing) better gains, better value for money.

terzo204

New scooby 04 - The S/Net voice of reason!

BooSH

Or maybe i should join the darkside ;

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That's the WRX version

REDZIPPY

Also make sure it has 18" wheels not the standard 17s...as apparantly this gives a better torque curve ????

(not sure if this is totally true - but apparantly Prodrive reccomend it??)

BooSH

terzo204

does't give a better torque curve but get's the power down better.