bibo_boy

Why do P1's sell for min. 9k to max. 15k

When Type R's start from around 5k

scoobynutta555

Do a search on this, there's masses of threads on it and they nearly always end up in a slanging match!

[Davey]

It is strange as alot of the the STi TypeR's are actually quicker out of the box.. But the P1 is a special model that people recognise although most people think they are some kind of 400bhp beast from standard lol.

Phildodd06

From what i have rear and been told on here a few occasions, the P1 has more BHP as standard but the Type r has a shorter ratio gear box so can out accelerate the P1

ESH

Would not touch a £5k Type R!!

The reasons why P1s control a premium is that they were sold in limited numbers in the UK and are a UK registerd car. Prodrive developed the car for our roads / market too. THe P1 WR then improved things further.

A good well maintained Type R will generally go for and from £7k (v4) to 12-13k for a version 6 ltd.

Both are very capable cars and have pros and cons so if you're on the market for one try them both.

Regards

rossi_p

iTrader: (26)

Isn't the Type R 280bhp and the P1 276bhp.... not alot of diff tbh.

ESH

I'm sure various versions of the STI / Type R hade different power ratings. EG. the first STI had 260PS moving up to the maximum agreed limit (japan) of 280ps. I'm not aware of the P1 having any more or less power than the equivalent R of that time.

Phildodd06

From what i was aware the P1 had 330 bhp as standard...

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Nope... it's a pretty much unmodified 280PS STI V engine with a different exhaust to help meet European emissions and noise regs.

gti00eater

wots the differnce with these and the Type ra then???

Phildodd06

I have been told porkeys thn

They dont have the short ratio gear box likr the Type r do they?

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

No, the P1 doesn't have the short ratio gearbox. It also has the UK dashboard and lights and Prodrive suspension. I think Mike Wood described it as mechanically an STI V 4 door but built into a 2 door shell; IIRC there are one or two 4 door P1 prototypes rolling around.

Hol

iTrader: (1)

Correct! - Drivetrain in a P1 is identical to a 4 door Sti5/6. The engine and ECU are the same as well, but the ECU has better knock sensitivity. (I was told this by two differeent mappers).


The 276 bhp issue mentioned earlier is a homologation thing so that cars could be entered into a japanese touring car type championship.
Hence, skylines and supra's also miraculousley have 276bhp


get a P1, if you want to keep it for a long time (rarity) and a TypeR if you want to modify it (cheaper and not such a sacrilige to cut it up).

gregoryelliott

I have had the luck to drive both off these cars when i was buying, and in the end i went for the type r mostly because i could'nt find a clean P1. The DCCD was also a big factor in the decision. I'm very happy with my type r and have now got a 2.5 transplanted! and all under the price of the same aged and millage P1. One piece of advice if buying is if you're doing alot of motorway millage the type r gearbox is'nt suited as the gearing is crazy low!

Hol

iTrader: (1)

I put the taller 5th in mine from a UK box.

4000rpm went from 80 to 90mph. - This made all the difference.

Parts wetre about £100, but it is a gearbox out and apart job, so best to get it done at the same time as your clutch.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Subaru Impreza FAQ

PS I saw the White P1!


Throughout 1999, there were strong rumours that the UK market was at long last going to receive a Japanese specification Impreza, with improved levels of overall performance. A two door white Impreza Turbo running on 17 inch gold alloys and Prodrive number plates had been spotted several times. September 22nd 1999, Autocar magazine run a scoop showing this very same white car, along with a glowing write-up, and an estimated price tag of £30k. Despite having a few inconsistencies (eg 2.2 litre engine with 350bhp!), the article answered many of the questions enthusiasts across the country had been asking for many weeks. The white car was actually a prototype for the forthcoming UK spec Impreza supercar. Based on the 2 door Impreza body shell (but without the wide arches of the 22B)., the car had been developed by Prodrive during the previous year in conjunction with Fuji Heavy Industries and Subaru Tecnica International in Japan. It had been designed from day 1 to be Subaru UK’s response to both ‘grey imports’ and the phenomenal Mitsubishi EVO 6, which had been receiving rave reviews all year long. "Shock Subaru Announcement - New UK Spec 280 PS Impreza Turbo" was the title of the press release, which ran to a full 9 pages. This car was to be called the Prodrive P1 (Prodrive One), would have the full 280PS (276bhp) of the Japanese spec cars and carried a full 3 year warranty with support from all Subaru UK dealers. This astonishing car had been painstakingly developed, and not only met all requirements necessary for full European Type Approval, but also set class-leading standards for both ride and handling. The main features of the car are as follows:

• 2 Door Saloon Body
• Available exclusively in Sonic Blue, similar to the WRC cars, and the same as the 22B
• 280PS engine, with an estimated 260 lb/ft of torque
• Top speed of 155mph, 0-60 in 4.6 seconds
• Special Hella driving lamps
• Specially Designed "Titanium" 10-spoke O.Z. 17 x 7 alloy wheels
• High Ratio Steering Rack
• Ventilated front and rear brakes
• Shorter throw "Quickshift" gearchange
• 4 Channel ABS brakes
• Rear wiper
• Specially designed aerodynamically superior front and rear spoilers
• Category 1 alarm/immobiliser, and RAC Trackstar tracking system
• Air Conditioning

A production run of 1,000 cars was eventually produced, and there were some delays in getting the earlier cars to customers, following production problems with some of the parts fitted here in the UK.

The Japanese spec WRX STi is also available as the 2-door coupe "Type R", which has the same equipment as a STi saloon plus driver-controlled diffs, and an intercooler water spray, but no ABS!.
The "Type RA" (Race Altered) is a lighter weight car with some options deleted and deemed the most suitable model in the range as the basis for a rally car. Generally they come without air conditioning, electric windows or radio, but these are available from the options list, and fitted to many road cars. The RA comes with a closed deck block, shorter gearing than standard (150mph at 8,000 rpm!), and rally style vent(s)/flap(s) on the roof.

mozzaITA

In 15 hours time i pick up my Sti type R... wooo hooo

stuart148

iTrader: (12)

what did you end up with mate,,,year/etc/etc

could of had mine if the price was right

stu

mozzaITA

98 Sti type R V4, in Silver, 44k full uk service history has been in uk since new,5 former owners, A1 condition probably only 1 body panel to see some paint!, Cat 1 and tracker, exhaust/dump/boost gauge.... Cleanest car ive 'owned' by a mile, lots of money spent on maintenace at scooby clinic... new types, disc and re con turbo....

All for 7k.

Hope its a good one as IM SKINT NOW :-(

Hol

iTrader: (1)

A few styling changes and parts from a 99/00 car and you cam make it look two years newer






The original front splitter is worth a few quid too.

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

It's simple isn't it Type R's are older than the P1's.

TX.

rabskyline

type r for me as i love 2 doors but p1 is a nice car too......personal choice

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

P1s are 2 door also

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

They made a whole 1000 of them.. not that rare then..

drb5

iTrader: (4)

I had the choice of a P1 or Type-R.

I chose the P1 simply as i wanted to keep myself from modding too much and knew i'd do that if i bought a Type-R.....don't ask me why. I just thought the P1 was worth keeping standard more than a Jap equivilent.

Being a UK i figured it would be easier to sell on to Joe Public down the street who knows nowt about how to properly run a Jap car.

I decided if i was considering a P1, only a Type-R V6 would suffice the other way, due to the front lip, but the gearing bugged me....so i'd have to get a V-Limited, which command an even bigger premium over the P1. Something which i wasn't wanting to pay.

It's personal preference at the end of the day and how much(and how modded) you can get the car for.

rabskyline

oops ...i made a boo boo !!

mozzaITA

Hey i just bought a type R check her out in members section :-)

Phildodd06

I have a V5 Type R and the gearing is bad, at 60mph im doing about 3500 rpm, i end up doing about 60mph when on dual carrige ways and motorways to save fuel.
I covered 165 miles do aprox 60 mph and i used 30 litres of fuel, not bad i thought, it worked out at 23 mpg