Hollywood

MY00 - 8000 miles, I've had clutch judder since about 5k, only when the car is cold. What's worse is under load - ie. in long traffic jams, the clutch makes a whining/humming sound as drive is engaged, which only goes away if the car is not driven for several hours. This can also be accompanied by a burning smell :-(

Lancaster Pangbourne are putting a claim in for a replacement, but as the car came from Holland I'm not confident.

Following these threads with interest...

chiark

Hollywood: who supplied the car? If Gertjan van der Velde, he has been known to kick Subaru NL's behind to get things approved...

I get light clutch judder occasionally when cold and, more strangely, when wet.

Any ideas if the wet is just coincidental?

Darren Thompson

My MY98 is having a new clutch, pressure plate and flywheel at a total cost of £550 for parts alone, the clutch was due for replacing after 53k but had been juddering since 43k. The dealership told me that the problem was due to the flywheel and that there was also a modified pressure plate available for 235+VAT. Lets see what happens with the new clutch and if it goes wrong if they put the new pressure plate in which by the sounds of things is a P1 standard item.

Darren.

Robertio

iTrader: (1)

MY00, was fine up until about 2 weeks ago (other than first gear being a sod in the cold) but since 4.5k things have been getting worse with lots of judderring around town until the car warms up. My clutch appears to have light and heavy days as well, yesterday being one of the latter. In for its 7.5k service on Saturday so will ask for that to be checked out.

DavidLewis

Darren,

Is your clutch being replaced on warranty or out of your own pocket?

I had heard that IM wont entertain clutch replacements after a certain mileage.

Edit bit:

My MY98 has been juddering for ages. Maybe as much as a year. I took it to my supplying dealership (B&C) who said they would dismantle everything to inspect it, but if IM dont accept the claim, it would be at my cost. Knowing what both parties can be like for warranty claims, I declined and have 'put up with it' ever since, using the "Apply handbrake, slip clutch" technique when it gets too much to handle (usually damp mornings) This continues, even if warm. I recently asked an extremely helpful/friendly local dealer about applying again for a new clutch, only to be told that IM reject anything over a certain mileage.

Any comments?

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JayDee

chiark,

I have both clutch problems - The juddering unitl warmed up I will now definitely take up with my dealer.

This clutch peddal getting heavier thing - I've come to the conclusion this is a cylinder (master or slave - I dunno which) which is sticking. I've also had the opposite problem - pedal suddenly gone floppy, which would seem to confirm my theory

Problem may be due to muck in system or poor manufacturing tolerances.

But I cannot get my dealer to take an interest in the problem, because it is only intermittant and of course they cannot replicate it.

I find that an instant cure (to the heavy pedal) is to push the pedal to the floor and then release it very quickly. This seems to clear things.

Let me know if you have any luck to this problem.

JD

Hollywood

Chiark - it was indeed Mr v d Velde. I've been talking with Dazzler who had the same problem, and Gertjan got his claim through eventually.

I'm going to wait and see what Lancaster come back with and take it from there - I don't really want to shell out £900 before I have to.

PhilH

Chris L

Was your 'judder' just when cold or also when warm?

Also, did the amount of 'judder' vary from day-to-day?

Phil (MY00 with some 'judder' when cold)

Darren Thompson

Dave the cost of the parts is coming out of my pocket and the labor is being covered due to the short motor being replaced for piston slap.

Darren.

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sonu

Guys,

please see the thread in the Drivetrain section.

Thanks

Sonu

AlexM

Hi,

Cheam also replaced my clutch under warranty a couple of weeks back. I'm not sure what they fitted, but it is FAB in comparison with the last one... low bite point, smooth take-up, and much better 'grip'.

Not an exageration to say that it has transformed the feel of the car.

Cheers,

Alex

Gerg2

Hmmm....interesting read that and thanks for the info Chris. BTW, what are you doing in a serious forum .

I Stancer....Mines an MY94 which has clutch judder, I think I'd be pi55ing in a tornado trying to get a recall on that. You never know though

Chris L

Gerg

I do cross to other forums sometimes

Chris

Mr.Cookie

Is Judder just a UK car based thing or any Jap imports suffered the same fate

Simon
PS Gerg Swings both ways does our Chris

Otis

I have been told they are now fitting the WRX flywheel to correct the problem. I get mine next week.

Otis.

Chris L

Er thanks Simon - careful this is a serious thread (for a change)

I don't know whether this is just a UK problem, but it does look at long last that we have a cure for the problem, rather than just temp solution of replacing the clutch and hoping that the problem goes away.

Chris

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Interesting - I have a sub-standard P1, sorry, Version V STi and I get clutch judder from cold - so fitting of STI/WRX/P1 parts doesn't sound like a solution to me.

R

munna

they put the P1 clutch housng on mine about a month and a half ago...this was after fitting 2 clutches in 2 consequtive days!!

it does work and is far better than before

Fosters

My clutch judders a fair bit - usually when I'm creeping along in commuter traffic. I find I have to constantly compensate by blipping the throttle a couple of hundred revs to catch the biting point and stop the juddering. Is that the symptoms you're all on about?

chiark

This could be something. I was driving in a traffic jam on the A43 on Monday after a blast down the M1.

My clutch pedal got progressively stiffer and stiffer, until I needed to push hard to operate it. Pressure is building up somewhere.

Question is, does anyone else experience this, and is there a simple fix like a pressure relief valve?

JoeyDeacon

I have a MY00 with 7200 miles on the clock and it occasionally suffers from slight clutch judder first thing in the morning.

Talking about stiff clutches sometimes mine is light and smooth and other times it requires more effort to push it down. When the clutch is stiffer gear changes are much harder to perform smoothly.

Strange but not bad enough to take it back to the dealer and complain. If it does ever need changing can I take it back to any dealer or do I have to take it to the dealer I bought the car from?? The only reason I ask is that I have lost all faith in the dealer I bought the car from and wouldn't let them check the tyre pressure let alone change the clutch

Chris L

OK - not strictly the right forum, but I guess it will get a wider audience here.

Took my car (MY00 UK) in for its 15K mile service today. I had reported clutch judder at 7500 and it wasn't getting any better. After a test drive, my dealer (Cheam Motors) have agreed and submitted a warranty claim to Subaru UK to change the clutch and fly wheel.

Cheam reckon that they have now identifed what is causing the clutch judder. It would appear to be to do with the clutch housing case and the amount of pressure sustained inside this (forgive me if the technical details aren't fully correct - this is 2nd hand info from the dealer and I'm trying to remember as much as possible).

What they and Subaru are now going to be recommending is that when the clutch is replaced in these circumstances, the clutch housing from the P1 should be used (this is of higher quality and can therefore withstand more pressure). My car is due to be the guinea pig for this in the next couple of weeks, so I'll let you know how I get on.

Chris

Chris L

BTW if you would like some more techincal details, the best person to speak to would be Andrew at Cheam Motors (020 8394 2262)

Cheers

Chris

Chris L

and one other thing..

Vote of thanks to Cheam Motors who did all the work today, got the car back to me by 5:30, sorted out the tracking and fixed a couple of other minor problems along with doing the £15K service for £191 (incl VAT, all materials, oil and SIDC discount).

Cheers guys

Chris

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I Stancer

If it works , It ought to be a reecall isue as all cars seem to suffer to some extent . Or am I Pi**ing in the wind ?

I'll get me hanky

Chris L

Who knows? This is all I've been told so far. I don't think it is any great secret, but I suspect that they will only change cars that have the problem rather than do a full recall.

Chris

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Boys, I don't think this clutch judder is just a UK thing my car is german MY00 and I get slight judder if I have been driving slowely for while, does it get worse, is it worth reporting to my dealer?

Steve

RichS

Me too.

MY00 9,900 miles, 8 months old.

Been experiencing cold morning clutch judder (until car has warmed up) for a couple of months now.

Questions:
1. Does it get worse?
2. At what mileage do IM stop entertaining warranties?
3. What is it doing to my car? (ie - shortens life of clutch, vibration weakens other drivetrain components etc etc)

Ta


Rich

munna

answer as follows from 1 to 3:-
1:-yes
2:-60,000
3:-I do not know
sorry...My techie background on cars is not that good!!

Darren Thompson

The warranty on the clutch is not 60000 miles or the flywheel as for stress on the car it will be the engine mounts the transmission in general and the clutch.

Darren.