Porsche Caymen S r SLOW!!
10 June 2007, 04:46 PM
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Porsche Caymen S r SLOW!!
Just had a little tickle with a porsche caymen S, the look on the posh blokes face when i went past him was priceless!!
Thought it would be alot quicker than what it was?
Thought it would be alot quicker than what it was?
10 June 2007, 04:53 PM
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Was he driving it the way it can be? I doubt it. Altough not the fastest porsche i would hardly say they are slow. They are meant to be a halfway house between the boxter and the carrera. I had a go of a mates bog 2.7 and it handled like a dream. In the right hands they will do damage but most of them end up in being owned by complete muppets!
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10 June 2007, 05:03 PM
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Was he driving it the way it can be? I doubt it. Altough not the fastest porsche i would hardly say they are slow. They are meant to be a halfway house between the boxter and the carrera. I had a go of a mates bog 2.7 and it handled like a dream. In the right hands they will do damage but most of them end up in being owned by complete muppets!
10 June 2007, 05:34 PM
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The Caymen S's engine is essentially that of the first water cooled 911. Far from slow and even the first Boxster has handling balance and poise that an Impreza can only dream of (don't confuse grip with good hamdling).
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10 June 2007, 06:39 PM
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10 June 2007, 06:49 PM
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You can't tell me that u have never had a little race with another car in your time of drivin and drive within the speed limits your hole life??
It was a clear duel carridgeway and its not a pedestrian'ised area
It was a clear duel carridgeway and its not a pedestrian'ised area
10 June 2007, 07:53 PM
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. . .Tell me, as I am confused . . . .Is grip not a function of handling . . .
. . .P.S For the record . . It is my opinion that PORCHES are mainly driven by w*nkers that don't know how to drive for sh*t . .
10 June 2007, 07:58 PM
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Beat me to it.
I was reading this...
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Road Test & Review - Automobile Magazine
I was reading this...
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Road Test & Review - Automobile Magazine
10 June 2007, 08:05 PM
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You're winning me over with your personality. Do carry on.....
10 June 2007, 08:08 PM
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yes, he probably thought, "look at that daft chav in his old car with a daft exhaust, i think i might buy one just to crash because they cost pennies to buy"
you really showed him a thing or to mate, well done
10 June 2007, 08:10 PM
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And all Scoobs are driven by over weight shaven headed wannabes
Nothing like a good stereotype to ruin a discussion
Of course there is link between handling and grip, but they are not the same thing. A Scoob is compromised by its roots as a basic 4 door saloon. Subaru have had to work damn hard to make it a rewarding car to drive. It has phenomenal mechanical grip, but that doesn't necessarily equal good handling.
Purpose built sports cars often have an advantage in this department (an Elise for instance is far superior to a Scoob in terms of chassis dynamics and handling, but cannot match it for mechanical grip). I would say that my RX8 handles miles better than either of the Scoobs I owned, but does that make it a better car? It's a matter of personal opinion.
Personally speaking I find better handling cars more rewarding to drive - the Cayman S is a fabulous car - in the hands of a good driver, there will be little to stay with it.
Don't also forget that the huge mechanical grip generated by Scoobs and similar cars can flatter to deceive - it is probably easier to extract the maximum (or close) performance from Scoob by a driver with average skills. Mid-engined cars like the Boxster / Cayman and Elise will require a higher level of skill to extract the best from them. Is that bad a thing? No - it's up to you as to what you prefer (but it's no coincidence that the personal car of choice for many professional drivers is a 911 and has been for some time).
Good handling cars are not necessarily the fastest - a bog standard 118 bhp Elise or a mk1 MX-5 are perfect examples (although what they both have in common is RWD - which is no surprise either).
Does that mean that the average Boxster / Cayman driver has more skill? No, but equally it doesn't make a Cayman S a slow car - that's just plain wrong.
Nothing like a good stereotype to ruin a discussion
Of course there is link between handling and grip, but they are not the same thing. A Scoob is compromised by its roots as a basic 4 door saloon. Subaru have had to work damn hard to make it a rewarding car to drive. It has phenomenal mechanical grip, but that doesn't necessarily equal good handling.
Purpose built sports cars often have an advantage in this department (an Elise for instance is far superior to a Scoob in terms of chassis dynamics and handling, but cannot match it for mechanical grip). I would say that my RX8 handles miles better than either of the Scoobs I owned, but does that make it a better car? It's a matter of personal opinion.
Personally speaking I find better handling cars more rewarding to drive - the Cayman S is a fabulous car - in the hands of a good driver, there will be little to stay with it.
Don't also forget that the huge mechanical grip generated by Scoobs and similar cars can flatter to deceive - it is probably easier to extract the maximum (or close) performance from Scoob by a driver with average skills. Mid-engined cars like the Boxster / Cayman and Elise will require a higher level of skill to extract the best from them. Is that bad a thing? No - it's up to you as to what you prefer (but it's no coincidence that the personal car of choice for many professional drivers is a 911 and has been for some time).
Good handling cars are not necessarily the fastest - a bog standard 118 bhp Elise or a mk1 MX-5 are perfect examples (although what they both have in common is RWD - which is no surprise either).
Does that mean that the average Boxster / Cayman driver has more skill? No, but equally it doesn't make a Cayman S a slow car - that's just plain wrong.
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10 June 2007, 08:19 PM
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He probably gets ***** like you every day of the week trying to show off in their Chavvy cars!!!
10 June 2007, 08:21 PM
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An Elise will have higher apex speeds than an Impreza precisely because it has greater mechanical grip, at least laterally.This has been demonstrated many times in many magazines and many articles.
A Scoob does have superior traction, which while a form of mechanical grip (forwards rather than lateral) is not really what I think you meant.
10 June 2007, 08:25 PM
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Daft exust?? er no HKS super dragger erm not cheap A car that is my pride and joy yea it might be 12yrs old but it doesn't even look a year old its in show room condition
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10 June 2007, 09:01 PM
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Don't fool yourself, a 12 year old standard production car looks 12 years old. It might be in perfect concourse condition but the styling, interior, equipment levels etc make it look old.
10 June 2007, 09:14 PM
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Not really.
An Elise will have higher apex speeds than an Impreza precisely because it has greater mechanical grip, at least laterally.This has been demonstrated many times in many magazines and many articles.
A Scoob does have superior traction, which while a form of mechanical grip (forwards rather than lateral) is not really what I think you meant.
An Elise will have higher apex speeds than an Impreza precisely because it has greater mechanical grip, at least laterally.This has been demonstrated many times in many magazines and many articles.
A Scoob does have superior traction, which while a form of mechanical grip (forwards rather than lateral) is not really what I think you meant.
Err no the Elise doesn't have more grip than a Scoob. The reason it handles so well is that it can brake later and carry more speed through bends...why?
.....because it's very light. Weight is THE most important aspect when it comes to handling.
And one other thing, guys this is a Subaru forum, you'd think that we'd all want to stay well clear of stereotyping on here
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Err no the Elise doesn't have more grip than a Scoob. The reason it handles so well is that it can brake later and carry more speed through bends...why?
.....because it's very light. Weight is THE most important aspect when it comes to handling.
And one other thing, guys this is a Subaru forum, you'd think that we'd all want to stay well clear of stereotyping on here
.....because it's very light. Weight is THE most important aspect when it comes to handling.
And one other thing, guys this is a Subaru forum, you'd think that we'd all want to stay well clear of stereotyping on here
Now an Exige with its proper working aerodynamic kit might be a different story.
Weight is indeed the biggest enemy (another area which handicaps the Scoob and most modern cars). As Colin Chapman said: "Simplicate, then add lightness."
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Agreed - absolutely no way an Elise generates more mechanical grip than a Scoob. All the cars I mentioned (apart from a Cayman) I've driven on track. I did a combined Elise / Scoob day a few years back. The Elise was great fun but it spun out on some high speed corners at about 80mph - my Scoob (pretty standard UK WRX with slightly lowered suspension) went through the same corner at well over a ton. Pure and simple grip (not handling!)
Now an Exige with its proper working aerodynamic kit might be a different story.
Weight is indeed the biggest enemy (another area which handicaps the Scoob and most modern cars). As Colin Chapman said: "Simplicate, then add lightness."
Now an Exige with its proper working aerodynamic kit might be a different story.
Weight is indeed the biggest enemy (another area which handicaps the Scoob and most modern cars). As Colin Chapman said: "Simplicate, then add lightness."
Will the 118bhp Elise keep up with a Newage STi on a very twisty track or road ? Any thoughts ?