DarkAge

Hi all,

I own a 220 hp bmw e36 coupe from 1998. Now that ive got a baby on the way i was thinking about replacing the coupe with a 4 door.

Went to testdrive a 270 hp impreza gt with a weinmann kit (which according to the owner adds 50 hp from 220->270).

These are the pics:




I didnt like the driving seat position nor the close pedals, but other than that it was ok.

The car is from 12/1998.

With 270 hp it has 50 hp more than mine and is 100 kg lighter, but it still didnt feel much faster.

Now i was wondering how reliable this engine is for tuning ? How many hp can i get up to while stil:
1) maintaining reasonable reliability
2) not upgrading anything in the motor and driveline (clutch/gearbox/diff/etc)

As far as i know the limit is 350, and i dont think ill ever be happy with that, as there is not that big a difference from 270->350, unless i spend bigbucks on forged internals so i can up the boost.

Provide some input. Thanks.

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ImprezARex

trust me mate there is a big difference between 270-350hp and it will bring a big smile to your face

WHEELSHOP0_0

Sorry I dont know much about the specs on these cars (depends on whats in this kit for 50hp) but if we are talking about a 328 BMW coupe and a std(ish) classic I owned a similar BMW and while it was fast in the dry the scoob would be much faster in poor weather it can still use all of its power.
The scoob 4wd system robs the car of power at the wheels (4wd loss) so if they were identical power(at the crank) and weight the BMW would be faster.
The scoob can be easily tuned (many on here) with good reliability/driveability retained, and in the weather we get here it makes for fast point to point travel. Hope this helps.

andy_s37

No wonder you didn't like the seat position, it on the wrong side!!!

Andy.

DarkAge

lol, im not from UK, so thats not a problem for me. To clarify, i loved the seats, they are much better than on my bmw, but didnt like the sitting position. It was too ... "cramped" if that makes sense.

Well i drive a tuned 323 which has more or less every major NA mod that exists.

If i were to compare the two cars ill be stepping down in comfort and was hoping for a step up in performance.

I mean the car is fun in 1st and 2nd gear, but after that its like driving my own car.

WHEELSHOP0>> What would the limit be of a stock engine ?

ImprezARex >> Looking at the numbers there is only a 80 hp difference from 270->350 and considering we're already up in the 300 hp range i dont expect a night/day difference. I have to admit though that i compare with my own car which had 170 as standard and now has 220, and even though 50 hp gives it a extra notch its not a night/day difference.

Maybe im expecting too much from a 2.0 turbo.

I think it will be easier to decide once i get som more info


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WHEELSHOP0_0

I dont know what the actual limit of the std 2.0(ej20 I think) engine has, mine had 387bhp before I changed it to a 2.5 engine, believe me a 300 plus bhp scoob will make you think. I suspect that the car you have driven has only std(ish) power, there are lots of "claimed power" out there unless you have a reputable rolling road print out you cant be sure.(there are some mods done that actually hurt the power output).

DarkAge

Thanks for your reply.

The kit put on by weinmann (not sure on spelling) is done as a factory upgrade by subaru in germany (where the car is bought), so i would consider the hp numbers to be realistic. What would you consider the 0-62/quatermile numbers to be with 350 hp ?


Some time ago i was really interested in a s14a 200 sx which is good for 400 hp on standard engine, but the complete lack of comfort made me change my mind. I think one of the major mistakes im doing is comparing them to my car, as they are very different kind of cars....

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WHEELSHOP0_0

I think the figures would be around 4sec. to 100k(62.5 mph) and in the elevens for quarters (this is from memory as my wagon is sold now),someone on here will bw able to give you current figs.
Also the type of fuel ( octane rating makes a huge difference to the turbo cars) so if you dont have 98+ fuel you will never get the best from your car.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

A classic Impreza with a genuine 270bhp would be fast mate, follwoing estimates taken from letstorquebhp.com. If it does feel fast the package is not good for the claimed output, or the car is poorly.

I have a classic with 320hbp and it's very quick indeed, you'd need a similarly tuned car or exotica to keep up. Go much beyond the 300- 320bhp or so and it starts to get expensive.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 270Weight without Driver (KG) : 1235Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 222.130 - 60 (Secs) : 4.560 - 100 (Secs) : 12.3060 - 100 (Secs) : 7.74Quarter Mile (Secs) : 13.29Terminal Speed (MPH) : 103.92Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.89Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 107.32

bob r

iTrader: (46)

220 bhp standard

270 bhp with factory fitted upgrade

i think the seller is telling porkies. i dont know what the standard power output is but to compare to a uk scoob these figure would be 215 standard,
and perhaps 240 with a factory upgrade ie subaru/prodrive factory fit pack.

bioforger

iTrader: (1)

270 is easily achievable with a decat n remap, dunno what that 'weinmann' kit is though. Chip n remap maybe?

MattW

Try PM ing Wurzel, he is based in Germany, may shed light on the "Weinmann kit"

LegacySTi

iTrader: (13)

As said think the 270 claimed may not be true. My advice before you make your mind up subarus are muck.Try get a spin in a STi 5/6. Maybe 2 door type r. These have lot of pull and shorter ratio box.

DarkAge

No doubt they will be fast, but there is no way i can afford those. A 1998 GT goes for about £20K here...

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leonpoole

d5hof

go and test drive a sti or at least few other ones...bmw 323 has no chance against a scooby.

ReggieMY99

Im from denmark to, there are only around 35 registred imprezas in the country hence the 20k£+ for classics (A 2006 sti costs around 67k£ from a dealer here)

a rare car here, i would say that the imported impreza from Germany is chipped and has an induction kit of some sort plus possible a full or partial decat (put wrong fuel in and its goodbye piston 3)

it is possible to get those figures out of a td04, max power i beleive, i would guess mine is around the 250 bhp mark, thats a full decat panel filter uprated fuelpump and a manual boost controller set at 1.1 bar, i bought the car from standard it was mapped for 98 RON and it is alot quicker then standard

saying that it doesnt sound like you have the claimed output afterall 270 bhp in an impreza is seriously quick.

DarkAge

Thanks for the info. The car runs on 98 RON and has a full stainless 3" (or was it 3.5") exhaust from manifold and back. Also it was decatted.

Where are you from ? Maybe you could give me a drive (as a passenger)

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bugsti

I had an e36 bmw 325i and traded it for a brand new MY1998 impreza turbo. The impreza had 208bhp and felt much quicker than the bmw - in fact no comparison. That same year, I tried an STI 5 (276 bhp i think) and it felt much quicker than an E36 M3 which I also tried.

I would say that there is something wrong with the impreza if it dosn't feel significantly quicker and much more agile than the e36 - even if the bmw has 220 hp.

DarkAge

thanks for the info. As Reggie pointed out, its difficult to find many imprezas to test here. Maybe i should buy this one for £47K (yes £47.000):





According to specs it does 0-100 kph 3,5 sec.topspeed 305 km/h
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ReggieMY99

Darkage go to the danish impreza forum and get registred, i beleive most impreza owners are registred here

www.impreza.dk

depending on where you live in the country ill be happy to give you a ride (as a passenger )

DarkAge

Måske er jeg blind, men kan fandme ikke finde nogen forum link på denne side. Kan du hjælpe en blind mand ?

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Shardlow

As far as i know the limit is 350, and i dont think ill ever be happy with that, as there is not that big a difference from 270->350, unless i spend bigbucks on forged internals so i can up the boost.



My car pushes 250bhp and my mates 330bhp there is a HUGE difference, as in 2 cars lengths! trust me 350Bhp (with a baby on board) is plenty!

ReggieMY99

registrer dig her så er der adgang til forum, link til forum i venstre side

http://www.imprezaklub.dk/signup.php