Subaru 2006 STi WRX versus Mitsuibishi FQ 300
26 August 2006, 10:10 PM
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What BHP you got? remember an FQ is the standard car 'tweaked' by Mitsubishi. Ive beaten plenty but then mine is now 'tweaked'. So get yours 'tweaked' should be able to get a reliable 330bhp and similar torque easy and the alignment set up then try again if you must.
26 August 2006, 11:11 PM
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Agreed - you to remap the STi to play with the FQ's - basically what Misubishi has done to base Evo... a more interesting comparision would of been the PPP'd version of yours against it - that's a more level playing field.
Regardless the Evo is a more focused car and responds better to tuning - they are a notch up IMHO, but then you pay for that in terms of it not being so easy to live with and costs more to maintain etc.
Regardless the Evo is a more focused car and responds better to tuning - they are a notch up IMHO, but then you pay for that in terms of it not being so easy to live with and costs more to maintain etc.
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26 August 2006, 11:25 PM
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It will make a noticeable difference - and the turbo will spool up earlier too, helping whatever lag problem you might be experiencing... PPP is the only option if you intend to retain your warranty unfortunately.
26 August 2006, 11:30 PM
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Peak power on yours is achieved at 5,600rpm.
PPP will up the power to 315bhp at 6,000rpm and move peak torque up to over 330 lb ft at 3,700 rpm instead of 290 lb ft at 4,000rpm. It's not going to translate into a gigantic difference on the road compared with the non-ppp'd version on the boil, but you will notice it.
PPP will up the power to 315bhp at 6,000rpm and move peak torque up to over 330 lb ft at 3,700 rpm instead of 290 lb ft at 4,000rpm. It's not going to translate into a gigantic difference on the road compared with the non-ppp'd version on the boil, but you will notice it.
26 August 2006, 11:47 PM
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are you changing to down to early? i never have a problem with lag after changing gears if my foot is down. granted its a tuned jdm but even so it shouldn't be happening..
most cost effective option is to get you car tek 3'ed - though as mentioned above you will loose your warrenty
most cost effective option is to get you car tek 3'ed - though as mentioned above you will loose your warrenty
26 August 2006, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bil
nah im just going from 3 rd to fourth --- foot full down (im feeling slight hesitancy/lag from car) and then it shoots up
my rev counter just aint as fast as that FQ300s. Like it would take me some time in 3rd gear to get to 7 revs...... (whys it taking the scoob so long to get up there into 6 revs and beyond)
Or is it because im not ripping it to that zone from a standing start!. Ill only take it to 5.5 at the moment in first and second
my rev counter just aint as fast as that FQ300s. Like it would take me some time in 3rd gear to get to 7 revs...... (whys it taking the scoob so long to get up there into 6 revs and beyond)
Or is it because im not ripping it to that zone from a standing start!. Ill only take it to 5.5 at the moment in first and second
In a way your comparing apples and pears - as mentioned above the FQ's are in a higher state of tune that a standard sti. A friend has a FQ320 which i've had the legs on each time we've had a go - simply because i have more power.
you're at a disadvantage against your mates car - you will find you will do better against a non- FQ
27 August 2006, 12:04 AM
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PPP'd car should be as safe as the standard car. EcuTek'd with a full 3inch system minimum will give the best results but wouldn't do that until it's out of warranty. Even then a PPP'd car will general not suffer the 'it's been modded' resale value hit that most modified cars suffer from come sale time.
Generally don't get into the habit of clutch dumping it off the line, redlining it or being really brutal with the gear changes and shouldn't be anymore likely to have it go wrong. These cars can take plenty of abuse as long as you do show an awarness of how to look after them - always warm up and cool down etc...
Gear change wise, I'd say quickest would be right upto near 7,000rpm in 1st, 6.5k in second and then shift at 6k in all other gears.
Generally don't get into the habit of clutch dumping it off the line, redlining it or being really brutal with the gear changes and shouldn't be anymore likely to have it go wrong. These cars can take plenty of abuse as long as you do show an awarness of how to look after them - always warm up and cool down etc...
Gear change wise, I'd say quickest would be right upto near 7,000rpm in 1st, 6.5k in second and then shift at 6k in all other gears.
27 August 2006, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bil
i always let the car warm up and cool down
i always let the fans come on twice and if i can i pop the bonnet up if ive been ripping it to let all the heat out
i always let the fans come on twice and if i can i pop the bonnet up if ive been ripping it to let all the heat out
Try not to be stood still for for too long you want the engine warm not the intercooler
And also agree with get PPP statments
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27 August 2006, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bil
i took in third gear to 6 to 6.5 revs (im not sure what the optimum rev is to change the gear for a scoob
). I definatley have turbo lag at that point
ive been in his FQ, it goes straight to 7 revs easily in third gear and then he changes gear, you can hear a pop from his exhaust (from the window of the scoob) when he rips it in third coz his car is trying to cut his engine out over 7 revs
). I definatley have turbo lag at that point ive been in his FQ, it goes straight to 7 revs easily in third gear and then he changes gear, you can hear a pop from his exhaust (from the window of the scoob) when he rips it in third coz his car is trying to cut his engine out over 7 revs
thers no power left after 5500 rpm in a fq300 and if his car is poping it sounds like he has anti lag
27 August 2006, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bil
The FQ 300 was blisteringly quick -- it knocked the crap out of the scooby
, in the real world of driving it takes more than 15/20 bhp to Quote" Knock the crap out of any car
" any track day regular will tell you that....
27 August 2006, 10:53 AM
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it did knock the crap out of it - from 3 rd to foruth gear change - the FQ surged ahead, whereas the subaru just totally slowed down and lost power i reckon
ill try it again in 1 hours time (not against the FQ) - ill take it for a blast and see what is happening on the 3rd to fourth gear change
ill try it again in 1 hours time (not against the FQ) - ill take it for a blast and see what is happening on the 3rd to fourth gear change
27 August 2006, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by [22B]
If thats true, then the evo had at least 350 , in the real world of driving it takes more than 15/20 bhp to Quote" Knock the crap out of any car " any track day regular will tell you that....
, in the real world of driving it takes more than 15/20 bhp to Quote" Knock the crap out of any car " any track day regular will tell you that....Have a look at the cars on the Ring for example - technical rather than a power circuit - and you'll see the local lads in their Golf GTi's, 205 GTi's etc quite happily following much more powerful cars (STi's, M3's etc) around it.
Would be interesting to know just what's been done to this Evo - as said above, it is a faster car, but it shouldn't be obliterating the STi as described. Maybe he does have well over 300bhp on board, in which case you would expect him to pull away from you in a straight line.
27 August 2006, 12:07 PM
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On the way to TOTB this year i had the oportunity to see how my 06 WRX PPP faired against an FQ... as suspected it pulled away from me but very slowly, it by no means kicked my ****. Found the guy after we got there and he had it rolling roaded recently and it was putting out 380bhp supposedly (FQ320 remapped/decat etc). Bearing in mind mine has about 270bhp/310 lb/ft it echo's what is said above, you need more than 100bhp more to 'destroy' another car.
By the sounds of it when you say he leaves you when you change from 3rd to 4th i'd learn to change gear
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By the sounds of it when you say he leaves you when you change from 3rd to 4th i'd learn to change gear
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27 August 2006, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bil
Well we lost and we lost badly
The FQ 300 was blisteringly quick -- it knocked the crap out of the scooby
the problem clearly happens when changing from 3rd to fourth gear. The FQ 300 thunders onwards and upwards, but the scooby lags like a slag, and then tries to feebly catch up - meanwhile your losing sight of the FQ300.
If you havent been in a FQ300 you need to go - it makes the scooby like a tricycle.
Does it void your warranty to DECAT a scooby??
The FQ 300 was blisteringly quick -- it knocked the crap out of the scooby
the problem clearly happens when changing from 3rd to fourth gear. The FQ 300 thunders onwards and upwards, but the scooby lags like a slag, and then tries to feebly catch up - meanwhile your losing sight of the FQ300.
If you havent been in a FQ300 you need to go - it makes the scooby like a tricycle.
Does it void your warranty to DECAT a scooby??
A 300bhp car will be faster than a 280bhp car of similar weight- no surprises there!
But it wouldn't "****" all over you!! Either the Evo has more power than std, or you have less!! A PPP Scooby Sti will be a match for a Std FQ300. If the EVo is decatted and ECuteked then you'd need to do the same to keep up.Or you could get a classic with 320 and give Evo 340s a shock!
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BTW Another thing to bare in mind is how many miles does your car have on it? Scoobies don't really loosen up fully till over 5k.
27 August 2006, 03:05 PM
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3rd to 4th lag
Got an MY05 Sti with PPP, with about 5.2k on it and I agree with the lag from 3rd to 4th, just seems to drop off a bit. I guess this is a common thing then? Not that I thrash it up and down the gears that often, as I dont fancy re mortgaging for a new engine, but I have wondered why it slows at that gear change.