p1doc

just got email from litchfield imports new t25 415bhp 420 lbs/ft torque 0-60 3.8 no 0-100 yet PRICE £39,995
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
martin

stilover

Christ !!!!!! That's a lot of money for an Impreza. Even though I'd love one, I couldn't pay that. Try selling it in 12 months time. How much depreciation ??

Think you'd get more back if you got a S204. At least it's recognised as a Subaru model.

Would love a go of the T25 though. Must be awsome.

C2forWRX

man thats gunna be one quick car. 40K though jesus!

Neilo

so thast what ian will be using at time attack then

Moley

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Cheaper than an Evo MR400, but with more power

Neilo

yeah but the difference being that the MR400 was an official recognised UK model. The T25 isnt really although im sure it will be fully warrantied by Litchfields....

it is a better package though by the looks of it

p1doc

it looks a great package,i have driven the last t25 brilliant but the price is a lot for a scooby unfortunately ,last t25 model was selling for £35,000 i think which would be my limit for a car,hopefuly they have not priced themselves too high depreciation is a killer delivery mileage 55 uk sti cars are selling for £19,995 locally from an official subaru garage!
martin

stilover

Obviously aimed at the Die hard Subaru fan. At £40k, you'd have to be.

rooter75

40k is a lot for an impreza, though i'd love a test drive

another 10k and you could have an RS4!

Markus

Were any other specs listed in the email?
Am curious to know what cars the new T25 can be based on as we now have 2.5l STi's in the UK, which wasn't the case previously, and so a fair bit of the cost would have come from sourcing/fitting/adapting the, I assume, USDM 2.5L engine and a twin scroll turbo setup from a JDM car (I don't think the USDM cars are twin scroll).

I'm not knocking it though, 400/400 (ok a little more than that ) out of the box is rather tempting to say the least

Robin Mullan

Ive driven a few RS4's, they are good but not that good, I'd rather the T25 and it ll be faster.

If carlsberg only made subarus?????

Andy Porter

Here you Markus : I'm sure Iain wont mind :

Cosworth Cylinder Heads

Enlarged Intake and Exhaust ports.
Large diameter stainless steel intake valves.
Large diameter Inconel exhaust valves.
Hi Rev valve springs
Titanium Retainers
Hardened Steel spring platforms
Reshaped combustion chamber
Flow bench proven design
Dyno tested
Intake port 14.63% (average) 22% (max) increased flow
Exhaust port 30.56%(average) 41% (max) increased flow
Machined Cosworth Logo
Multi angle valve job
Type-25 Unique Camshaft profiles

Cosworth Assembled Short Engine

Cosworth Forged Rods
Cosworth Forged Pistons
Cosworth High Performance Bearings
Cosworth Unique Engine Number
Unique blue-printed engine build sheet
Assembled by Cosworth race technicians
Machined Cosworth Logo

Cosworth Multi Layer Metal Headgasket

Type-25 Milltek Twinscoll Manifold

Twinscroll Pulse Conversion design
Ceramic Coated inside and out for heat retention/shielding
Type 304 aircraft grade stainless steel
Mandrel bending ensures smooth flow

Type-25 Garrett GT Turbo

Ceramic Coated Exhaust housing for heat retention/shielding
Dual Garrett Ballistic Bearings for instant response
GT Advanced Blade Aerodynamics
Port Compressor Shroud to eliminate surge
Large Inlet

Type-25 Inlet manifold spacers

Increases inlet manifold capacity
Reduces heat transfer from block
Allows larger inlet pipe to be fitted

Type-25 Larger Turbo Inlet pipe

Larger diameter Turbo inlet
Tough silicone construction
Subtle Matt black OEM finish

Up rated filter in standard OEM Intake

Powerstation Re-Programmed Standard ECU with advanced additional features

Unique Dyno calibration on each car

Type-25 Milltek Exhaust system

100 Cell Sports CAT
Large centre silencer
Unique downpipe with Built in silencer
Ceramic Coated inside and out on downpipe for heat retention/shielding
3" Diameter Type 304 aircraft grade stainless steel
Mandrel bending ensures smooth flow

Type-25 Handling Kit

Thicker adjustable front and rear anti-roll bars
Anti-lift front sub frame modifications
Caster increase
Revised links

Type-25 AST suspension

12-way adjustable suspension for tailored damping
Revised damper settings
In-car adjusters
New designed AST springs utilizing the original rubber top mounts for improved NVH
Height adjustable

Powerstation Type-25 laser alignment

Braided Brake hoses

STI front lipspoiler

Reduces front lift by over 36% (MIRA proven)
Rubber lip extension

Individually numbered engine and dashboard plaques

Comprehensive warranty and after sales support

Performance figures:
415bhp @ 6,500rpm (over 400bhp available from 5,900-7,300rpm)
570Nm/420lbft @ 3,800 rpm (with over 300lbft available from 3,000rpm)
299bhp/ton
Spec C based weight 1385Kg (UK STI is 1,495Kg)
0-60mph in 3.8sec (estimate) 157mph (limited) Topspeed

Both versions of the Type-25 are priced at £39,995 OTR. A full price breakdown and option list will be available from the website shortly.

The production prototype was really well received by Evo Magazine who will be featuring it in next month's issue. Orders are already being taken and we expect this new version to be an even bigger success than the last model. Suspension fine tuning and final tyre choice is currently being undertaken with the Type-25 using the renowned Millbrook test facility and the might Nurburgring over the next couple of weeks.

We have a demonstrator available for test drives and would advice booking early as we expect it to be very busy over the coming months.




When I saw the spec I nearly spat my coffee, sounds superb, come on lottery !

New_scooby_04

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If I had the money!!

I do agree with the reviewer who, in commenting on the FQ400 said, "When these rice rockets start costing as much as the cars they usually aspire to humble, surely the point is lost"

But, you could look at it as a credible alternative to a M3 or RS4 for 10k less. I've little doubt it will be that good!

EDIT: having just seen the above spec, I have to say that one can see where the money goes! Cosworth and Subaru *dribbles*


Ns04

Markus

Andy,
Thanks for that. OK, so it's a bit more than just taking a 2.5L engine, whacking on a modfied twin scroll turbo and then dropping it in

Very impressed with the spec, curious about "Powerstation Re-Programmed Standard ECU with advanced additional features".

Robocop

You can also have the T25 engine upgrade fitted to your Type 20 for around £10k.

If I do over a couple of Post Offices, I know where I'll be going.

Andy Porter

Just a bit Markus ! I was gobsmacked at the engine spec, esp all the cosworth internals ect

Robin Mullan

WOW!!! now thats what you call a spec sheet.
Cant imagine trying to tell my mates down the pub though.

New_scooby_04

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This is how I'd describe it:

"Sorry lads, won't be down the pub tonight to talk about the new car; too busy driving it!!!"

Ns04

Martin2005

I think I'll be speaking to Iain about which bits from the new car can be readily used in the older T25's, nice to see things moving on.

p1doc

according to the blurb that is the basic spec sheet-looks pretty advanced to me as you can see the money and time has definitely gone into it but at £40,000 i would still be looking at second hand rs4(if they ever come down in price) or m5 as scoobies depreciate too much to spend £40,000 on.
you would likely lose £20,000 in 3 years which is a hell of a lot unless you are a millionaire.i am sure scooby would be faster but for that money! although interestingly spec c is same price
martin

p1doc

on a different note how many t25's have been sold so far?
martin

juggers

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I think its worth every penny tbh would of been nice if it com with an up-rated ecu motec,gems etc

Markus

I do agree that 40,000 is a lot to be spending on an impreza, however, I think I'd be more than happy with the power, performance and handling of this new Type 25, so much so that I doubt I'd feel the need to modify it further, apart from maybe specifying AP brakes on front and rear (6-pots up front, 4-pots on the rear), but that'd be the performance mods settled. I might add a few additional guages, and maybe the odd cosmetic mod.
That'd be it, and I'd simply enjoy the car for a long time, probably keep hold of it for at least 3 - 5 years

Markus

Any specific reason why? If you're not planning on modding it further then the standard ECU would probably be ok. I would assume that the mapping used isn't too agressive, or pushing the ECU to it's limits, and thus there is room to remap to gain a little more power/torque. Personally speaking I think the current power/torque level is perfect. Yeah, chuck in an induction kit, full decat and a remap and you will probably be able to get 450/450, but would you really need all that on the road, or even the track?

p1doc

from driving the last t25 this one would be awesome with extra 50 bhp/and torque,bizarre brakes are not uprated as standard though i would not like 4oobhp trying to be slowed by standard brembo brakes corner after corner
martin

Markus

Maybe it's something that was missed off the spec sheet, but it seems odd, as braided hoses are mentioned, however, there have been comments that braided hoses and uprated brake fluid could well make a fair difference, so uprated caliplers/pads might not be needed. I'd upgrade them just to be a tart, but also as I know I'd probably not exceed the brakes unless I was being very very stupid indeed.

Hopefully Iain or the chaps from PS will pop along later and comment

sammyh

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Just by fitting the braided hoses on the STI Brembos there is a significant improvement in breaking performance over the standard set up, although for once I have something in common with Markus so for tart appeal I will be upgrading to 6 pots prior to Litcho fitting my engine

hoskib

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cool, just bought some off ebay for my 05 sti couldn't believe the lines were rubber when i had the wheels off the other week!

back on topic, cracking spec! really well thought out package.

LitchfieldImports

Thanks for the comments guys As Sammyh has said the standard brakes with braided lines and new fluid are pretty good for road use. We will be listing our 6-pot Porsche or AP's on the optionlist.

Iain

Markus

oooh, 6-pot porkers, lovely. I had a movit 4-pot kit (I know this kit is not the movit one) on my Wagon and they are fantastic. One assumes the discs are Porsche spec too? If so then I'd probably be tempted to use them over the AP's.

Now all I need to do is persuade you that you really want to send a type 25 to Canada for me to pose around in and promote the conversion (one can but dream )