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03 October 2000, 10:12 PM
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:MAD: HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP :MAD:
15 Mins ago I got done for speeding (dumb huh) 46mph in a 30 limit..... by a marked police car
I didnt accept the statutory ticket ie £30 fine plus 3 points cos I was so pissed off. I will now be reported. When they write to me can I change my mind and plead guilty and pay the same fine.
They were using Vascar, but not with a camera.
Also they only followed me (and registered my speed) for .17 of a mile and although I saw them, most of their time was spent catching me up over a distance of 2/300 yards by which time my speed had dropped to 30mph
ARE THERE ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW SUCH AS WAS THE VASCAR EQUIPMENT CALIBRATED TODAY ETC
Also the producer they gave me was filled in incorrectly as I am supposed to produce my insurance and an HGV LICENCE, SINCE WHEN HAS AN IMPREZA BEEN AN HGV
Any advice gratefully recieved
SCOOP
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15 Mins ago I got done for speeding (dumb huh) 46mph in a 30 limit..... by a marked police car
I didnt accept the statutory ticket ie £30 fine plus 3 points cos I was so pissed off. I will now be reported. When they write to me can I change my mind and plead guilty and pay the same fine.
They were using Vascar, but not with a camera.
Also they only followed me (and registered my speed) for .17 of a mile and although I saw them, most of their time was spent catching me up over a distance of 2/300 yards by which time my speed had dropped to 30mph
ARE THERE ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW SUCH AS WAS THE VASCAR EQUIPMENT CALIBRATED TODAY ETC
Also the producer they gave me was filled in incorrectly as I am supposed to produce my insurance and an HGV LICENCE, SINCE WHEN HAS AN IMPREZA BEEN AN HGV
Any advice gratefully recieved
SCOOP
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04 October 2000, 08:27 AM
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Scoop,
I was chatting to my brother-in-law a few weeks ago (he's a plod), and he was saying that if you refuse a ticket then you will be summons to court. No you can't change you're mind either. The result will probably be that you will probably just end up coughing up more money.
Wouldn't get a brief involved unless your licence is pretty loaded already, as a mate of mine did and had to pay a 500 quid fixed fee for his services with no guarentee of a result.
Sorry its not better news.
Darren
I was chatting to my brother-in-law a few weeks ago (he's a plod), and he was saying that if you refuse a ticket then you will be summons to court. No you can't change you're mind either. The result will probably be that you will probably just end up coughing up more money.
Wouldn't get a brief involved unless your licence is pretty loaded already, as a mate of mine did and had to pay a 500 quid fixed fee for his services with no guarentee of a result.
Sorry its not better news.
Darren
04 October 2000, 10:06 AM
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Scoop,
The rules for HGV's are a lot stricter. They can take your HGV away for getting points, but normally only for careless/dangerous driving. If you get a ban, they won't let you have your HGV back automatically. You have to apply for it, and they may give it back to you if they feel you've been punished enough. If not, you have to wait a bit longer Nowadays, all the licences are combined, but even if you have the old separate HGV licence, you will still have to hand that in as well.
Jerome.
The rules for HGV's are a lot stricter. They can take your HGV away for getting points, but normally only for careless/dangerous driving. If you get a ban, they won't let you have your HGV back automatically. You have to apply for it, and they may give it back to you if they feel you've been punished enough. If not, you have to wait a bit longer Nowadays, all the licences are combined, but even if you have the old separate HGV licence, you will still have to hand that in as well.
Jerome.
04 October 2000, 10:29 AM
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You might get lucky if they mis-filled the form to say that you were in an HGV when you were in your Scooby.
You can ask to see the VASCAR calibration certificate I believe - but that is only at the time they stop you (not later). I'm not sure about the second point by the way.
04 October 2000, 10:39 AM
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D'OH!!
You will now be summonsed to court and now run the risk of a maximum fine of £1000 and between 3-6 penalty points.
The minimum distance over which VASCAR can get a reading is 0.125 miles so 0.17 miles is within the guidelines.
VASCAR automatically turns itself off after 7 days and requires re-calibration. However as a matter of course they are tested and re-calibrated at the start of each shift.
Sorry its not good.
S
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You will now be summonsed to court and now run the risk of a maximum fine of £1000 and between 3-6 penalty points.
The minimum distance over which VASCAR can get a reading is 0.125 miles so 0.17 miles is within the guidelines.
VASCAR automatically turns itself off after 7 days and requires re-calibration. However as a matter of course they are tested and re-calibrated at the start of each shift.
Sorry its not good.
S
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05 October 2000, 12:24 AM
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I've got an interesting one that I am waiting for the summons on (2 months and counting so far...)
I've got a P1 (sonic blue)
I’m in a queue of traffic doing about 50 over a hill on an A road in Devon, lots of space so plant it down the hill, overtake about 4 cars then cruise at maybe 80 (I'm not sure how fast). 4 cars follow me, a Black Audi Quattro 1.8, a red car and a blue Astra.
So I drive up the hill on the other side (about 2 miles), over the brow of the hill around a corner slowing and this white car hurtles out of a blind farm entrance on the right, straight at me.
I see the car in my peripheral vision. I have a choice, brake or plant it... I planted it and the car storms straight out into the middle of the road accompanied by lots blue smoke as the Audi tries not to plough into it!
The white car is a police speed car, I'm already around the corner stamping on the brakes doing *exactly* 50...
Needless to say the Audi passes the Police, the police follow the Audi, pull it over, then about 3 miles later pull me over into a lay-by, where the other cars crawled past rubber necking…
2 (Laughing) Policemen proceed to show me a speedmaster (like Vascar) reading of 121.12 miles an hour over a third of a mile. They ask me what sort of car it is (I tell them a Subaru Impreza P1) They give me an NIP for speeding and a producer...
I asked them just where they timed me to and from plus calibration information. Apparently calibrated ten minutes ago at the beginning of the shift (normal) and from the top of the hill where I overtook the cars to the bottom of the hill (indeed about 1/3 mile, I checked).
I went back to where they had sat to time me the next day, it’s over 2 miles away from the distance marks (they were doing their best rally driving over about 1/4mile of rough track to get back to the road…) You can see the colour of the car from that vantage point. With good binoculars you might be able to work out the make (note that I had to identify my car…) There is no way on earth you could read a number plate without a tripod mounted scope.
I’m not a tall person, but even out of my car balancing precariously on the fence I could not see the bottom of the hill. No way from sitting in the car pressing buttons (did they shout to each other?)
Needless to say the road was completely out of sight from the position where you could time to where they rejoined the road in such a hurry.
Technically, even a P1 will not accelerate from 50mph to 140/150mph in 10 seconds, even down hill, which is what you would need to average 121…
I reckon they started timing on the blue Astra behind me and finished timing on me at the bottom of the hill, shouting to each other to start and stop…
The bottom line is I shall take photographs and a good brief to court, but Vascar type evidence is nearly always irrefutable, so I shall almost certainly get a ban… It’s just a matter of how long…
I've got a P1 (sonic blue)
I’m in a queue of traffic doing about 50 over a hill on an A road in Devon, lots of space so plant it down the hill, overtake about 4 cars then cruise at maybe 80 (I'm not sure how fast). 4 cars follow me, a Black Audi Quattro 1.8, a red car and a blue Astra.
So I drive up the hill on the other side (about 2 miles), over the brow of the hill around a corner slowing and this white car hurtles out of a blind farm entrance on the right, straight at me.
I see the car in my peripheral vision. I have a choice, brake or plant it... I planted it and the car storms straight out into the middle of the road accompanied by lots blue smoke as the Audi tries not to plough into it!
The white car is a police speed car, I'm already around the corner stamping on the brakes doing *exactly* 50...
Needless to say the Audi passes the Police, the police follow the Audi, pull it over, then about 3 miles later pull me over into a lay-by, where the other cars crawled past rubber necking…
2 (Laughing) Policemen proceed to show me a speedmaster (like Vascar) reading of 121.12 miles an hour over a third of a mile. They ask me what sort of car it is (I tell them a Subaru Impreza P1) They give me an NIP for speeding and a producer...
I asked them just where they timed me to and from plus calibration information. Apparently calibrated ten minutes ago at the beginning of the shift (normal) and from the top of the hill where I overtook the cars to the bottom of the hill (indeed about 1/3 mile, I checked).
I went back to where they had sat to time me the next day, it’s over 2 miles away from the distance marks (they were doing their best rally driving over about 1/4mile of rough track to get back to the road…) You can see the colour of the car from that vantage point. With good binoculars you might be able to work out the make (note that I had to identify my car…) There is no way on earth you could read a number plate without a tripod mounted scope.
I’m not a tall person, but even out of my car balancing precariously on the fence I could not see the bottom of the hill. No way from sitting in the car pressing buttons (did they shout to each other?)
Needless to say the road was completely out of sight from the position where you could time to where they rejoined the road in such a hurry.
Technically, even a P1 will not accelerate from 50mph to 140/150mph in 10 seconds, even down hill, which is what you would need to average 121…
I reckon they started timing on the blue Astra behind me and finished timing on me at the bottom of the hill, shouting to each other to start and stop…
The bottom line is I shall take photographs and a good brief to court, but Vascar type evidence is nearly always irrefutable, so I shall almost certainly get a ban… It’s just a matter of how long…
05 October 2000, 08:14 AM
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Stuart H,
interesting point that you say they are tested and re-calibrated at the start of each shift.
How is this actually done? I.e. some special road markings or something. Could user error ever happen?
Secondly, what amount of them actually require adjustment, or do the officers not know, is it automatic?
robski
interesting point that you say they are tested and re-calibrated at the start of each shift.
How is this actually done? I.e. some special road markings or something. Could user error ever happen?
Secondly, what amount of them actually require adjustment, or do the officers not know, is it automatic?
robski
05 October 2000, 09:28 AM
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The system can be checked in any number of ways e.g against the calibrated speedometer or against the laser system. There are also markings on the road a set distance apart which can test the system on 'dial-in'.
The error is always very small/non-existant, so the chances of there being any error in set-up are negligable. Traffic Officers also do a <I>long</I> course in operating the thing. At the end of the day VASCAR is just a very expensive distance-time calculator.
It's also worth remembering that VASCAR gives a reading in the drivers favour
The error is always very small/non-existant, so the chances of there being any error in set-up are negligable. Traffic Officers also do a <I>long</I> course in operating the thing. At the end of the day VASCAR is just a very expensive distance-time calculator.
It's also worth remembering that VASCAR gives a reading in the drivers favour
05 October 2000, 01:13 PM
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Charlie....bad luck man
I got a 6 month ban for 104mph in a 70....for every 30mph over the limit it gets worse. What you need to watch for is they can give you points as well as a ban, so put your best suit on and grovel...unfortunatly.
Scoop...I also refused the ticket and then pleaded guilty at court, had a cr4p solicitor though, definetly pays to get a good one (this advice is more for Charlie really). No vascar when I got pulled just the "push-the-button" method. How do they get away with that one....
eg. Ready.....and.....go.....
Now....STOP....yeh, like that's really accurate now isn't it!!!!
commiserations guys,
Nick
I got a 6 month ban for 104mph in a 70....for every 30mph over the limit it gets worse. What you need to watch for is they can give you points as well as a ban, so put your best suit on and grovel...unfortunatly.
Scoop...I also refused the ticket and then pleaded guilty at court, had a cr4p solicitor though, definetly pays to get a good one (this advice is more for Charlie really). No vascar when I got pulled just the "push-the-button" method. How do they get away with that one....
eg. Ready.....and.....go.....
Now....STOP....yeh, like that's really accurate now isn't it!!!!
commiserations guys,
Nick
05 October 2000, 01:53 PM
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CharliePsycho,
If you do go to court and want a good solicitor speak to Mark Underwood aka "The Wax Wizard" from the banner ads on the BBS. He knows a solicitor who specialises in this type of case and from memory has got Mark off on a few occassions when he should have been asked to produce a pilot's license as opposed to his driving license
Give him a call and speak to his mate, explain the details and if necessary forward photo's and maps of the road concerned to him. He may charge for his advise but he will be able to give you a good idea as to the possible outcome if you challenge the NIP in court.
Best of luck
Yex
If you do go to court and want a good solicitor speak to Mark Underwood aka "The Wax Wizard" from the banner ads on the BBS. He knows a solicitor who specialises in this type of case and from memory has got Mark off on a few occassions when he should have been asked to produce a pilot's license as opposed to his driving license
Give him a call and speak to his mate, explain the details and if necessary forward photo's and maps of the road concerned to him. He may charge for his advise but he will be able to give you a good idea as to the possible outcome if you challenge the NIP in court.
Best of luck
Yex
05 October 2000, 08:42 PM
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SCOOP have a look on the RS owners club board
re loop hole in the law it may help,not the first post 2 or 3 down.
I am fighting a sp 30 at the moment from a speed gun I have been told that you can not be prosecuted in the first and last 2/10ths of a mile in any speed limit. I got my solicitor to send a letter, this was a month ago no sommons yet,hope this helps Phil
re loop hole in the law it may help,not the first post 2 or 3 down.
I am fighting a sp 30 at the moment from a speed gun I have been told that you can not be prosecuted in the first and last 2/10ths of a mile in any speed limit. I got my solicitor to send a letter, this was a month ago no sommons yet,hope this helps Phil
06 October 2000, 09:59 PM
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Scoop,
Sorry to hear your bad luck.
Got done about 4 months back by unmarked Volvo T4 in Norfolk.
He followed me for nine miles along the A14 and eventualy pulled me up just outside Elveden Forest.
The car was totaly unmarked the light were behind the front grill and he did not have lapels on his shirt .So in my rear view mirro I could not tell who it was.
He clocked me at 83 , 93 and did me for 96.3 all in a 60 limit.
Not clever I know, but I was very lucky and he gave me a fixed penalty £40 fine.Which I greatfully accepted.
Apparently he was waiting for me to "really floor" lucky for me ah!
And that is how I got my first points in 20 years.
Grant
Sorry to hear your bad luck.
Got done about 4 months back by unmarked Volvo T4 in Norfolk.
He followed me for nine miles along the A14 and eventualy pulled me up just outside Elveden Forest.
The car was totaly unmarked the light were behind the front grill and he did not have lapels on his shirt .So in my rear view mirro I could not tell who it was.
He clocked me at 83 , 93 and did me for 96.3 all in a 60 limit.
Not clever I know, but I was very lucky and he gave me a fixed penalty £40 fine.Which I greatfully accepted.
Apparently he was waiting for me to "really floor" lucky for me ah!
And that is how I got my first points in 20 years.
Grant
06 October 2000, 10:16 PM
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A mate af mine told me you cant be done by Vascar (or it's variants) at night. Is this true?
Something abaout the fact that you can't verifiably identify the distance markers...
I suspect it's b0ll0xs, but anybody else heard this?
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Something abaout the fact that you can't verifiably identify the distance markers...
I suspect it's b0ll0xs, but anybody else heard this?
[This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 21 October 2000).]
21 October 2000, 01:21 PM
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Another intersting one for those watching the floormat for a summons...
I gather they have to summons you within 6 months.
Personally I think that is a bit off, as I have been dreading the postie for about 4 months now...
I would be very interested on the Vascar question though, last I spoke to a very nice uniformed oroficer he said he had to use a calibrated speedo... Obviosly they have to be able to keep up with you for that though...
I gather they have to summons you within 6 months.
Personally I think that is a bit off, as I have been dreading the postie for about 4 months now...
I would be very interested on the Vascar question though, last I spoke to a very nice uniformed oroficer he said he had to use a calibrated speedo... Obviosly they have to be able to keep up with you for that though...
21 October 2000, 01:44 PM
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When you attend court try asking the officer in the case if he has made an entry in his "pocket note book" that he tested the VASCAR at the begining and end of his shift!
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21 October 2000, 05:07 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by CharliePsycho:
<B>A mate af mine told me you cant be done by Vascar (or it's variants) at night. Is this true?
Something abaout the fact that you can't verifiably identify the distance markers...
I suspect it's b0ll0xs, but anybody else heard this?[/quote]
You suspect correctly! Total, unadulterated borrox!
<B>A mate af mine told me you cant be done by Vascar (or it's variants) at night. Is this true?
Something abaout the fact that you can't verifiably identify the distance markers...
I suspect it's b0ll0xs, but anybody else heard this?[/quote]
You suspect correctly! Total, unadulterated borrox!
21 October 2000, 07:33 PM
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Stuart H, not to question your line of reasoning on this one, you may a member of the 'onerible constabulary... But...
I know it appears initially as bo11oxs, however I've heard it from 3 sources now.
1)One who questioned it on the spot when threatened with an SP30...
Usual story, producer and an NIP, *but no summons* and they had him bang to rights, he was doing 80 in a 60...
2) I've had unmarked cars who have cautioned me with VASCAR on the dash at 87 on a Motorway but no ticket.
3) A mate who I know has a friend in the force reckons they can't take it to court...
I think they use the VASCAR to threaten, usually to get you to take an on the spot, but at the end of the day they can't actually use it.
But does anyone know for sure?
I know it appears initially as bo11oxs, however I've heard it from 3 sources now.
1)One who questioned it on the spot when threatened with an SP30...
Usual story, producer and an NIP, *but no summons* and they had him bang to rights, he was doing 80 in a 60...
2) I've had unmarked cars who have cautioned me with VASCAR on the dash at 87 on a Motorway but no ticket.
3) A mate who I know has a friend in the force reckons they can't take it to court...
I think they use the VASCAR to threaten, usually to get you to take an on the spot, but at the end of the day they can't actually use it.
But does anyone know for sure?
21 October 2000, 08:45 PM
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VASCAR 5000 is basically a posh (and bleedin' expensive) time/distance calculator. Any fixed point can be used for the start and end of the check (for example lamposts) provided the distance between the two is over 0.0125 miles. This can drop to 0.07 miles when the unit is running in dial-in mode (where the distance is already known). VASCAR is open to mistakes in its operation.
It would be very interesting to know if your friends friend is a specialist traffic officer. I can't see the reasoning behind anyone saying it can't be used at night. I have to be honest and say that I don't use VASCAR very much ('cause the traffic never gets to exceed the speed limit) I tend to use radar/laser.
I'll speak to 'Da Management' on Monday when I go in and see what she has to say about it.
It would be very interesting to know if your friends friend is a specialist traffic officer. I can't see the reasoning behind anyone saying it can't be used at night. I have to be honest and say that I don't use VASCAR very much ('cause the traffic never gets to exceed the speed limit
) I tend to use radar/laser.I'll speak to 'Da Management' on Monday when I go in and see what she has to say about it.
21 October 2000, 09:18 PM
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You haven't said that you weren't speeding at the time, so I'll assume you were indeed doing the 46 mph you've been nabbed for.
Just take it on the chin - why should you get off with the fine and points, if you really were speeding and you got caught?
I can well understand your anger, but really you're probably angry at yourself more than anything else. Put yourself in the Police's shoes (both feet would fit in one boot probably - Eeeek, sorry, stereotyping!!!) - you see a performance car speeding by, 'course you're gonna nab it.
You should have thanked them for their time in pointing out the error of your ways. If they're gonna do you, they'll do you. I've been pulled over only twice (both times in a scoob), once hovering between 65-75 on a deserted 60 mph straight at 2AM, another for accelerating away from the lights in town all the way to the red line in 1st about 35 mph) and p***ing off the police bike following! Both times, I was polite, answered all their questions, smiled at them, thanked them for their trouble, and didn't get nicked, only breathalised (must have smiled too much!). Before you get mad, challenge their calibration, or get a lawyer, get polite and friendly, it might just work!
[This message has been edited by Mr555 (edited 21 October 2000).]
Just take it on the chin - why should you get off with the fine and points, if you really were speeding and you got caught?
I can well understand your anger, but really you're probably angry at yourself more than anything else. Put yourself in the Police's shoes (both feet would fit in one boot probably - Eeeek, sorry, stereotyping!!!) - you see a performance car speeding by, 'course you're gonna nab it.
You should have thanked them for their time in pointing out the error of your ways. If they're gonna do you, they'll do you. I've been pulled over only twice (both times in a scoob), once hovering between 65-75 on a deserted 60 mph straight at 2AM, another for accelerating away from the lights in town all the way to the red line in 1st about 35 mph) and p***ing off the police bike following! Both times, I was polite, answered all their questions, smiled at them, thanked them for their trouble, and didn't get nicked, only breathalised (must have smiled too much!). Before you get mad, challenge their calibration, or get a lawyer, get polite and friendly, it might just work!
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21 October 2000, 09:31 PM
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Well said Mr555!! 
One case which always makes me smile when people challenge calibration or ask for the tuning fork etc is the case of a gentleman back in 1999 who decided to challenge the accuracy of an LTI 20-20.
He walked away from court having been relieved of £15000 (thats fifteen <B>THOUSAND</B> pounds) in legal costs alone . He was originally only in line for a £40.00 fine and 3 points!
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One case which always makes me smile when people challenge calibration or ask for the tuning fork etc is the case of a gentleman back in 1999 who decided to challenge the accuracy of an LTI 20-20.
He walked away from court having been relieved of £15000
(thats fifteen <B>THOUSAND</B> pounds) in legal costs alone . He was originally only in line for a £40.00 fine and 3 points! [This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 21 October 2000).]
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Actually, no I haven't been done at night... This is only me chasing a technical point (My mate again saying 'if only it had been dark')
I will have a challenge over a Speedmaster reading (v-similar to vascar) but that is for a reading taken from over 2 miles away during broad daylight without optical equipment...
This is me trying to find out if this Vascar can't be used at night storey is true, as my personal evidence + stories seem to hold it as true...
It may all be untrue... but I am very curious, as the whole thing about verifiable start/end points has a ring of truth...
If it is indeed true, I shall get some better night lights and do some organised night-time cross counties!!!
I will have a challenge over a Speedmaster reading (v-similar to vascar) but that is for a reading taken from over 2 miles away during broad daylight without optical equipment...
This is me trying to find out if this Vascar can't be used at night storey is true, as my personal evidence + stories seem to hold it as true...
It may all be untrue... but I am very curious, as the whole thing about verifiable start/end points has a ring of truth...
If it is indeed true, I shall get some better night lights and do some organised night-time cross counties!!!
22 October 2000, 03:20 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by CharliePsycho:
<B>I will have a challenge over a Speedmaster reading (v-similar to vascar) but that is for a reading taken from over 2 miles away during broad daylight without optical equipment...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B>
OK, now I am confused. Speedmaster is nothing like VASCAR.
The Speedmaster system uses rubber hoses buried in the road connected to a grey post at the side of the road. The system measures the time taken between the hoses buried in the road. I don't see where a reading done at two miles comes into it.
What sort of readout did they show you?
[This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 22 October 2000).]
<B>I will have a challenge over a Speedmaster reading (v-similar to vascar) but that is for a reading taken from over 2 miles away during broad daylight without optical equipment...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B>
OK, now I am confused. Speedmaster is nothing like VASCAR.
The Speedmaster system uses rubber hoses buried in the road connected to a grey post at the side of the road. The system measures the time taken between the hoses buried in the road. I don't see where a reading done at two miles comes into it.
What sort of readout did they show you?
[This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 22 October 2000).]
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I may have mis-heard them at the time, likely they said SpeedMarshall.
The reading looked like VASCAR built into the dashboard and it read 121.86 mph over 0.36 of a mile.
I've put it on another thread, there was no way I was going that fast, especially as I started the 1/3 mile doing 50mph... However they were sitting over 2 miles away from the alleged infraction and there were a couple of bright blue cars on the road at the time...
Have to wait and see what happens when they summons me
In the mean time I'm still pretty curious about the nightime VASCAR... I hassled a bit more to my mate (he's a taxi driver with mates in the force), one of the issues is the verification of position marks in the dark, especially if following at a distance. Aparently street lighting is allowed as the marker is in permenant view, but at night you cannot verify the correct marker. All sorts of stuff about eye wander and expected positioning from moving vehicles...
I kind of got bored/drunk at that point, but I thought I'd pass on the info and see if anyone else had heard more...
The reading looked like VASCAR built into the dashboard and it read 121.86 mph over 0.36 of a mile.
I've put it on another thread, there was no way I was going that fast, especially as I started the 1/3 mile doing 50mph... However they were sitting over 2 miles away from the alleged infraction and there were a couple of bright blue cars on the road at the time...
Have to wait and see what happens when they summons me
In the mean time I'm still pretty curious about the nightime VASCAR... I hassled a bit more to my mate (he's a taxi driver with mates in the force), one of the issues is the verification of position marks in the dark, especially if following at a distance. Aparently street lighting is allowed as the marker is in permenant view, but at night you cannot verify the correct marker. All sorts of stuff about eye wander and expected positioning from moving vehicles...
I kind of got bored/drunk at that point
, but I thought I'd pass on the info and see if anyone else had heard more...
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