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28 January 2005, 08:39 PM
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Be warned that having a turbo timer or remote start fitted to your car can invalidate your thatcham alarm status, you need to check with your insurer before fitting either of these to see if its ok with them.
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AFAIK (and I stand to be corrected 
) remote start is okay, but it's Blackjax that's not Thatcham approved.
Got a Clifford C600 with intelli on the wife's STi8, and had no problems in almost 12 months, had the same system on a classic for two years and an Evo7 for six months with no hassle. If Clifford's go wrong it's ussually either user error or poor installation.
) remote start is okay, but it's Blackjax that's not Thatcham approved.Got a Clifford C600 with intelli on the wife's STi8, and had no problems in almost 12 months, had the same system on a classic for two years and an Evo7 for six months with no hassle. If Clifford's go wrong it's ussually either user error or poor installation.
29 January 2005, 08:27 AM
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do you use itelli start a lot? is it mainly cold mornings to get it to warm in the car? or do you use it so that when you get it you can drive on boost straight away?
thought about this myself as I have the concept 650 with T/Timer built in.
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thought about this myself as I have the concept 650 with T/Timer built in.
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29 January 2005, 08:36 AM
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i had clifford remote start on my01 wrx with loads of mods and had no probs, great for warming car and engine up and also letting cool down after a good run
if you are near e4 post code or romford area i know two diff people that would prob fit it cheaper than other for you
let me know in pm for details if you require them
if you are near e4 post code or romford area i know two diff people that would prob fit it cheaper than other for you
let me know in pm for details if you require them
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Originally Posted by Sticky Stuff
AFAIK (and I stand to be corrected ) remote start is okay, but it's Blackjax that's not Thatcham approved.
) remote start is okay, but it's Blackjax that's not Thatcham approved.Tony
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Its to do with the car being left unattended, so turbo timers and remote start are a no no (the car can also jump into gear, though ive not personally seen it and the linkage would have to be very worn for that sort of movement).
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Your insurance company is unlikely to appreciate the need for a turbo timer, or the convenience of a remote start device for that matter - for the same reason.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) based on the products proposed useage - this applies to all Cat 1 systems, whoever they are manufactured by
In Thatchams view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the immobilisation circuits were not connected?
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham to compromise security in the same way, as to start or keep the engine running it will be necessary to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to, or by-passes, the existing immobilisation wiring, however, the Thatcham immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind (they tend to be of US origin) and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear a CE mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment - this is a legal requirement for fitment in the UK.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles are stolen without the keys, so if an inspection on a recovered vehicle could invalidate a policy and save them a payout...... Just beware.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) based on the products proposed useage - this applies to all Cat 1 systems, whoever they are manufactured by
In Thatchams view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the immobilisation circuits were not connected?
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham to compromise security in the same way, as to start or keep the engine running it will be necessary to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to, or by-passes, the existing immobilisation wiring, however, the Thatcham immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind (they tend to be of US origin) and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear a CE mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment - this is a legal requirement for fitment in the UK.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles are stolen without the keys, so if an inspection on a recovered vehicle could invalidate a policy and save them a payout...... Just beware.
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Originally Posted by Sigma Sam
Your insurance company is unlikely to appreciate the need for a turbo timer, or the convenience of a remote start device for that matter - for the same reason.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) based on the products proposed useage - this applies to all Cat 1 systems, whoever they are manufactured by
In Thatchams view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the immobilisation circuits were not connected?
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham to compromise security in the same way, as to start or keep the engine running it will be necessary to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to, or by-passes, the existing immobilisation wiring, however, the Thatcham immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind (they tend to be of US origin) and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear a CE mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment - this is a legal requirement for fitment in the UK.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles are stolen without the keys, so if an inspection on a recovered vehicle could invalidate a policy and save them a payout...... Just beware.
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) based on the products proposed useage - this applies to all Cat 1 systems, whoever they are manufactured by
In Thatchams view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the immobilisation circuits were not connected?
Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham to compromise security in the same way, as to start or keep the engine running it will be necessary to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to, or by-passes, the existing immobilisation wiring, however, the Thatcham immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.
There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:
Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind (they tend to be of US origin) and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear a CE mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment - this is a legal requirement for fitment in the UK.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a public place with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.
If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles are stolen without the keys, so if an inspection on a recovered vehicle could invalidate a policy and save them a payout...... Just beware.
excellent and accurate response.nice one!!
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Originally Posted by Sigma Sam
“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) based on the products proposed useage - this applies to all Cat 1 systems, whoever they are manufactured by.
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...but there's a bit in the manual that says something along the lines of 'Blakjax will invalidate your Thatcham status if used, so this unit is supplied with it switched off by default'
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Originally Posted by Sticky Stuff
...but there's a bit in the manual that says something along the lines of 'Blakjax will invalidate your Thatcham status if used, so this unit is supplied with it switched off by default'
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