philc

saw the course on Top Gear the other night (with Clarkson taking 10 mins in a diesel Jag).

Also read that the new STi goes round in 8 minutes

Anybody on this forum been round - what car ? what times?

DazW

iTrader: (1)

Found this site whilst digging for info a couple of days ago:

http://www.nurburgring.nl/portal/

be warned its in german ...a mate helped me navigate & found these times ...so you know what the competition is like!

Porsche Carrera GT 7.40 (1-2004)
Techart-Porsche GT street 7.43 (8-2001)
Pagani Zonda S 7.44 (7-2002)
Porsche 996 GT2 7.46 (6-2001)
Porsche 996 GT3 RS 7.47 (3-2004)
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup 7.49 (2-1999)
Lamborghini Murciélago 7.50 (6-2002)
BMW M3 CSL 7.50 (8-2003)
Lamborghini Gallardo 7.52 (12-2003)
Mercedes SLR McLaren 7.52 (6-2004)
Porsche 996 GT3 7.54 (6-2003)
Porsche 996 Turbo 7.56 (6-2000)
Ferrari Challenge Stradale 7.56 (2-2004)
Lotec 993 Turbo 7.57 (5-1998)
Porsche 996 GT3 8.03 (8-1999)
Lamborghini Diablo GT 8.04 (7-2000)
Ferrari 575M Maranello 8.05 (12-2002)
Ferrari 550 Maranello 8.07 (6-1998)
Lamborghini Diablo SV 8.09 (12-1997)
Ferrari 360 Modena 8.09 (10-1999)
Honda NSX-R 8.09 (8-2002)
Chrysler Viper GTS 8.10 (10-1997)
Donkervoort D8 180R 8.10 (3-2001)
Mercedes SL 55 AMG 8.12 (4-2002)
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 8.13 (5-1999)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.13 (10-2004)
AC Schnitzer M3 CLS III 8.16 (11-1997)
Porsche 996 Carrera 8.17 (1-1998)
Porsche 996 Carrera 8.17 (10-2001)
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 8.17 (1-2003)
Ferrari F355 8.18 (6-1997)
BMW Z8 8.18 (8-2000)
Chevrolet Corvette Com.Edi 8.18 (9-2003)
Audi RS6 8.20 (9-2002)
BMW M Coupé 8.22 (10-1998)
BMW M3 8.22 (12-2000)
Mercedes C55 AMG 8.22 (7-2004)
Porsche 996 Carrera4 8.23 (2-2001)
Aston Martin DB7 GT 8.23 (7-2003)
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti 8.24 (5-2004)
Callaway C12 Coupé 8.25 (4-1999)
Mitsubishi Evo VI 8.25 (11-1999)
Audi RS4 8.25 (10-2000)
Mitsubishi Evo VII 8.25 (11-2002)
Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 8.26 (5-2001)
Nissan 350Z 8.26 (10-2003)
BMW M5 8.28 (3-1999)
Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 8.29 (5-2000)
Audi S4 Avant 8.29 (11-2003)
Maserati Coupé 8.30 (10-2002)
BMW M Roadster 8.32 (9-1997)
Porsche Boxster S 8.32 (12-1999)
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG 8.32 (5-2003)
Lotus Exige 8.32 (8-2004)
BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i 8.34 (4-2001)
Opel Speedster Turbo 8.34 (4-2004)
BMW E36 M3 SMG 8.35 (3-1997)
Brabus C V8 Coupé 8.35 (2-2002)
Alpina B3 3.3 8.36 (7-1999)
Porsche Boxster 8.36 (3-2003)
Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 8.37 (3-2000)
Maserati 3200 GT 8.37 (9-2000)
Mercedes C32 AMG 8.37 (9-2001)
VW Golf R32 8.37 (2-2003)
Honda NSX 8.38 (8-1997)
Brabus CLK 5.8 8.38 (12-1998)
Mercedes SL 500 8.38 (12-2001)
Honda S2000 8.39 (1-2000)
Morgan Aero 8 8.39 (4-2003)
Chevrolet Corvette 8.40 (7-1997)
Audi S3 8.41 (6-1999)
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 8.41 (9-1999)
Audi S4 8.42 (8-1998)
Lotus Exige 8.42 (11-2000)
Honda Civic Type-R 8.47 (11-2001)
Jaguar XKR Coupé 8.49 (7-1998)
Audi TT 1.8T Q (225) 8.49 (11-1998)
Renault Clio V6 8.49 (7-2001)
Alpina B10 3.2 8.50 (4-1998)
Mercedes C43 AMG 8.51 (3-1998)
Alfa 156 GTA 8.51 (5-2002)
Mercedes CLK 430 8.52 (9-1998)
Porsche Boxster 8.54 (4-1997)
VW Golf GTI 8.54 (1-2002)
Mini Cooper S Works 8.55 (9-2004)
AMG-Mercedes SLK 230K 9.07 (5-1997)
VW Golf V6 4-motion 9.09 (4-2000)

Redevilwrx

Sh:t !! the STI pulled an amazing time.
I wonder if it was standard,should imagine so though as it would knock the times out all over the place.
Best of all tho it beat the EVO's
Would love to see what time a modded sti,22b type r/ra pulls.Have to wait until this summer to find out !!

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388287

Check it out and slap your name down.....

Andy M.

Gutmann pug

The odd lap or 200 .........

a little under clarksons time

There are a few on here who are much more hardcore than me though, Mr Felstead where are you???

philc

thanks for the links - I'll read them with interest

Gutmann pug

That list is also full laps not just BTG like clarkson and the rest of us do. So you can take off around 28 seconds for the BTG times

johnfelstead

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Gutmann pug

I knew it wouldnt take long ......... say beetle juice 3 times and along he comes

Gutmann pug

The exige must be quicker than it says on there. Some of the boys over there in September were talking about 8min 15 laps........ add 28 secs to that and you get 8.43.........Whoever the test driver man was only quotes 8 mins 8.42 .... not convinced.

johnfelstead

The MY05 spec C did just under 8 minutes last year, i met the driver the day before he set the time.

The Exige will go much quicker than 8:45, something seriously wrong if it didnt.

Gutmann pug

That is seriously quick .....about 7.35 BTG .......

Geek Boy

Those times are from a Norwegian website, some are pro drivers, some are tourists like the majority of us.

You can input your own times, hence some times appear more than once.

Gutmann pug

So some of them are BTG then? or still full laps??

johnfelstead

Yep, he is very agresive on the car to get that time, i doubt it would go much quicker.

Gutmann pug

Must be close to the limit the whole way round. I assume they run standard brakes and pads when they do that kind of timing? I guess with a clear lap and no mechanical sympathy its feasable ...... Not for me though you understand

johnfelstead

Yep, standard spec car. Its the car they have released as the 300 run limited edition Spec C with the nurburgring stickers on it.

Geek Boy

mmmmmm maybe not the same list.

7,55 = 157 km/h Caterham R500, Robert Nearn 2000.
7,56 = 157 km/h Porsche 996 GT3 360 ps, Walther Röhrl 2000.
7,56 = 157 km/h Porsche 996 Turbo 420 ps 2000.
7,57 = 157 km/h Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo 600 ps.
7,59 = 156 km/h Nissan Skyline modified hp?, Dirk Schoysman.
8,02 = 155 km/h 911 Roock Turbo RST 480, 480 ps, Sport Auto.
8,03 = 154 km/h 996 GT3, Sport Auto.
8,04 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo GT, Sport Auto 2000.
8,05 = 153 km/h 2002 Ferrari 575 Maranello, Sport Auto 2002.
8,06,02 = 154 km/h Caterham Superlight 140 hp 470 kg, Robert Nearn 1998/1998.
8,07 = 152 km/h Ferrari 550 Maranello, Sport Auto 1998/1999.
8,09 = 152 km/h Ferrari 360, Sport Auto 2000.
8,09 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo SV 520 ps.
8,09 = 153 km/h Porsche 993 GT2 430 ps.
8,10 = 151 km/h Chrysler Viper GTS, Sport Auto.
Ex equo WRX STI spec C ( symétrie de suspension pareil a la USDM ) en 8min 6 secondes. 8,11 = 153 km/h E36 M3 Modified, Mike Jeager
8,12 = 152 km/h Porsche 993 Turbo S 432 ps, 1998.
8,12 = 152 km/h Porsche 993 Turbo 408 ps, 1997.
8,12 = 152 km/h 2002 MB SL AMG, Sport Auto 2002.
8,13 = 152 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps.
8,13 = 152 km/h Lotus Espirit Sport 350.
8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 2 993 520 ps, Stefan Roser.
8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 911 469 ps, Stefan Roser.
8,15 = 151 km/h Porsche 964 RS 260 ps.
8,15 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps, Sport Auto 2000.
8,16 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 4S 320 ps, Porsche test drivers 2001.
8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 993 Carrera 4, Nils Baker 1997.
8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 300 ps.
8,17,37 = 150 km/h Schnitzer M3 E36 CLS II 350 ps 1330 kg, Manfred Wollgarten, Car 1998/1999.
8,17 = 149 km/h 2001 Audi RS4 375 ps Sports Packet and R-tires, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,17 = 149 km/h 2002 Maserati Cambiocorsa, Sport Auto 2002.
8,18 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps.
8,18 = 149 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps, Sport Auto.
8,20 = 150 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 2 320 ps, Porsche test drivers 2001.
8,20 = 150 km/h BMW M5 E39 -98 400 ps, BMW test drivers 1998.
8,20 = 150 km/h BMW M3 Evo E36 321 ps.
8,20 = 148km/h 2002 Audi RS6, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2002.
8,22 = 149 km/h Dodge Viper GTS -98, Gunnar Dackevall 1998.
8,22 = 149 km/h BMW M Coupe 321 ps, 1999.
8,22 = 149 km/h BMW e46 M3 -00, BMW test drivers 2000.
8,24 = 148 km/h BMW X5 Le Mans 700 ps prototype.
8,25 = 148 km/h Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo 6 280 hp, 2000.
8,25 = 147 km/h 2001 Audi RS4 375 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,25 = 147 km/h Callaway C12 -99 400 hp, Sport Auto 1999.
8,28 = 147 km/h Porsche 911 Cabrio 993 285 ps, 1998/1999.
8,28,1 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR standard 276 hp, Stephen Sutcliffe, AutoCar 1998/1999.
8,28 = 147 km/h BMW M5 E39 400 ps.
8,28 = 146 km/h Porsche 964 RS 260 ps, Sport Auto 1992.
8,29 = 147 km/h Mercedes CLK 55 AMG.
8,31 = 147 km/h 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo 250 ps, Mikjel, Norway 2003.
8,31,42 = 146 km/h Ferrari F355 GTS 380 ps, Car, Barrie 'Whizzo' Williams 1998/1999.
8,32 = 146 km/h Porsche Boxter S.
8,32 = 146 km/h BMW Z3 M Roadster 321 ps.
8,32 = 145 km/h Porsche 964 Turbo 365 ps, Sport Auto 1992.
8,33,80 = 146 km/h Honda NSX 6 speed 276 hp, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,34 = 146 km/h BMW M3 -97 321 ps, 1997.
8,35 = 145 km/h Golf I 200 ps 2100ccm, Thomas Koops Germany 1992.
8,35 = 145 km/h BMW M3 SMG -98 321 ps, 1998.
8,36 = 145 km/h Jaguar XKR.
8,36,42 = 145 km/h M3 Evo E36 321 ps, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,37 = 145 km/h Maserati 3200 GT.
8,37,10 = 145 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec 350 hp, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.
8,37 = 143 km/h 2000 Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 218 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,37 = 143 km/h 2002 Volkswagen Golf R32, Sport Auto 2002.
8,38 = 144 km/h Honda NSX -98 280 hp, 1998.
8,38,40 = 144 km/h Porsche 911 993 Carrera 285 ps, Stephen Sutcliffe, Car 1998/1999.
8,38 = 143 km/h MB SL500, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001.
8,39 = 143 km/h Morgan Aero 8 286 ps, Sport Auto 2002.
8,40 = 144 km/h Chevrolet Corvette -98 344 hp, 1998.
8,41 = 143 km/h Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 420 hp.
8,41 = 143 km/h E36 M3, Roger Sharp.
8,41 = 142 km/h 2000 Audi S3 210 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,42 = 142 km/h Lotus Exige, Sport Auto.
8,42 = 142 km/h Audi S4 265 ps, Sport Auto.
8,43 = 142 km/h Honda Integra Type-R 190 hp, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.
8,44 = 143 km/h 1987 BMW M3 E30 240 ps, Espen, Norway 2003.
8,44,83 = 143 km/h Corvette -97 339 hp, Dirk Schoysman.
8,45 = 141 km/h M3 E30 -87, car modified, engine standard 200 ps, 1997.



8,46,27 = 142 km/h 911 Carrera S 993 -97 285 ps, Barrie 'Whizzo' Williams, Car 1997.
8,46 = 142 km/h Lotus Esprit Turbo S4 267 hp.
8,47 = 141 km/h 2002 Honda Civic Type-R, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2002.
8,49 = 141 km/h Porsche 993 3,8 RS 300 ps.
8,49 = 141 km/h 1994 Porsche Carrera RS 3,8, Mark Gillies.
8,49 = 140 km/h Jaguar XKR Coupe (automatic) 363 hp, Sport Auto.
8,50 = 141 km/h BMW Alpina B10 3,2, 1998.
8,51 = 141 km/h MB AMG C43, 1998.
8,51 = 141 km/h 2002 Alfa Romeo 156 GTA 250 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2002.
8,52 = 141 km/h Mercedes CLK 430 automatic 279 ps.
9,01 = 138 km/h BMW 325i e36 200 ps, Sven Trusheim, Germany 2001.
9,05 = 137 km/h 1989 Porsche 930 350 ps, Tor-Helge Ludvigsen, Norway 2001.
9,07 = 137 km/h Mercedes SLK 230.
9,09 = 136 km/h 2001 Nissan Almera 155 hp, Mikjel, Norway 2002.
9,10 = 136 km/h E36 M3 Limo -97 321 ps, Lance Benedict 1999.
9,16 = 135 km/h Ferrari Testarossa 390 ps, AMS 1987.
9,17 = 135 km/h BMW 750i 1990, Oliver Lauer, Germany.
9,19 = 134 km/h Subaru Impreza Turbo 218 bhp, Michael Oliver, UK 2002.
9,20 = 134 km/h Honda Accord Type-R, Autovisie.
9,20 = 134 km/h BMW X5 4,4 286 ps.
9,23 = 133 km/h Subaru Impreza Turbo 208 hp, Dave Marett.
9,23 = 133 km/h Lotus Exige 177 bhp, Michael Oliver, UK 2001.
9,24 = 133 km/h VW Corrado VR6 190 ps, Autobild.
9,25 = 132 km/h Opel Calibra 4x4 Turbo 204 ps, Autobild.
9,26 = 132 km/h Alfa Romeo 75 2.0 Twin Spark, Giacometti Marco April 2001.
9,26 = 132 km/h Porsche 911 Carrera 231 ps, AMS 1987.
9,29 = 131 km/h Mazda MX6 165 hp, Autobild.
9,30 = 131 km/h BMW 323i 1981, Tim Røsand Norway 1987.
9,30 = 131 km/h Toyota MR2 156 hp, Autobild.
9,31 = 131 km/h New Mini Cooper S 2002, Marco 2002.
9,34 = 130 km/h Honda Prelude 160 hp, Autobild.
9,35 = 130 km/h Porsche 930 1989, app 350 ps, Tor-Helge Ludvigsen, Norway 2000.
9,35 = 130 km/h Honda 200 SX 169 hp, Autobild.
9,35 = 130 km/h BMW M3 E30 200 ps, AMS 1987.
9,38 = 130 km/h BMW 323ti Compact 170 PS, Frank Arndt (Germany), 1999
9,40 = 129 km/h Subaru Leone Turbo 136 ps/200 Nm, Marnix van Deijk, Netherlands 2002.
9,44 = 128 km/h VW Jetta II 1.8l 16V cat 129 ps 1988, Julian Boldt, Germany.
9,44 = 128 km/h Peugeot 205 GTI 1,9 128 ps, AMS 1987.
9,45 = 128 km/h BMW e39 520, Dag Johnsen, Norway, 2001.
9,46 = 128 km/h Opel Omega Caravan 2,0 16V Turbo, Jan-Terje Nygaard, Norway 2001.
9,47 = 128 km/h 1988 Golf GTI 16V 160 ps, Nils Classon Sweden 2002.
9,50 = 127 km/h Porsche 911 Carrera 2 1992 250 ps, Tor-Helge Ludvigsen, Norway 1999.
9,55 = 126 km/h Mitsubishi Eclipse 150 hp, Autobild.
9,56 = 126 km/h VW Polo Open Air 16v(100hp)-97, Peeter Pahv, Sweden, 2001.
9,57 = 125 km/h Opel Omega 3000 177 ps, AMS 1987.
9,58 = 125 km/h 1989 BMW e30 325i touring 170 ps, Matthias Flatt, Germany 2001.
10,00 = 125 km/h Lancia Delta HF 4 WD 165 ps, AMS 1987.
10,03 = 124 km/h Toyota MR2 124 hp, AMS 1987.
10,08 = 123 km/h 1992 BMW e34 520i Øyvind Kaurstad, Norway 2002.
10,16 = 122 km/h 2002 Opel Zafira OPC, Jan-Terje Nygaard, Norway 2002.
10,18 = 121 km/h 1988 BMW 318i 115 hp, Ove Kvam, Norway, 2002.
10,21 = 121 km/h Peugeot 309 75 PS, Peter, Germany.
10,30 = 118 km/h VW Bora TDi 2000 115 ps, Tor-Helge Ludvigsen, Norway 2001.
10,35 = 118 km/h Peugeot 307 HDI 90 ps, Marcel Vermaas, Belgium 2001.
10,45 = 116 km/h 2000 Mazda 323 F Special 1,5 88 hp, Espen 2000.

Gutmann pug

I have driven Litcho's spec C a couple of times and was mighty impressed I have to say. Thats why I wasnt doubting its capabilities

Gutmann pug

Are those times full laps do you know geek boy?

mightyyid

I was driven round there by the circuit manager when we were reccing for a driving day we were running, and the guy took us around in the circuits V8 Beemer X5 - this just showed that someone who knew the circuit intimately could do a bloody good time. I reckon we were about the 10min mark, just under (and of course we were 3 up in that car) and I was blown away - as much by the fantastic undualtions in the circuit as by his ability at the wheel - just shows how experience dictates this stuff. An amazing circuit...

johnfelstead

the top ones for sure are full laps, thats a bit out of date now, the current production lap record is in the low 7 minutes.

st3ph3n

Under 6 minutes for me.

That was using the TVR in PGR2.

But seriously. Didn't the Radical hold the record time? Their website seems to think so, but there's no solid tiems that I can see.

CraigH

I think it's because

A) there were arguments about the car being road legal (ie, at the time it wasn't)

and

B) the time has been beaten by a Donkervort.

Although I doubt very much it'll stay that way - the SR8 will probably get close to 7.10 when they go this year.

Gutmann pug

The arguement is whether its tuv approved and therefore road legal in Germany. The radical is not.

The donkey is TUV approved BUT it was wearing a huge non standard wing on its lap.

CraigH

And the Radical wasn't?

Gutmann pug

No im pretty sure the radical is not TUV approved and therefore untill the donkey came along the carrera GT held the record .......

Like anything though all these figures etc are manipulated to say whatever people want them too.

Im by no means an expert but thats what i believe to be the case

Gutmann pug

In answer to the thread starters original question

Pug 205 GTi (139bhp) 8 mins 55 secs BTG
Scoob sti (329bhp) 8 mins 33 BTG

These are my best timed laps to date.

Timing isnt recommended though, which is why you havent been inundated with replies I should imagine.

Gary

Geek Boy

...well I think he has not been unindated with replies as this is a Subaru forum.

Had it been 1/4 mile times, or number of similtanious donuts it would be 8 pages by now.

Gutmann pug

and everyone knows the scoob is crap at the ring............





I hasten to add other than Mr felsteads old car and the Spec C

TaviaRS

In my old Octavia RS, 8min 32 secs BTG with the T13 diversion in place
In my new diesel Octavia, 8mins 49 secs BTG

Only done about 6-700 laps