Gutmann pug

I wouldnt worry too much mate ....... as I said before most wont come and those that do will be cannon fodder for you

mannyfold

cheers,
have been thinking about a trip there for a bit now but had loads of questions, looks like that site should sort it right out.
happy lapping

Dazza's-STi

So ley me get this right...8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 2 993 520 ps, Stefan Roser.
8,15 = 151 km/h Ruf CTR 911 469 ps, Stefan Roser.


must have been becouse he was sidways most of the time... bonfireing the back tyres!

What do you think Gutman??? you know the place! surly that should have been under 8 mins!

Dazza

Gutmann pug

I think you will find that is a full lap rather than bridge to gantry. The full lap is about an extra 25-30 secs depending on the car. It may also include the GP circuit. Not sure where you are getting the figures from so i dont know.

Karl 227

Ahh, that'll be Gary's inexperience raising it's ugly head If the Ruf did 8,15 Nordschleife full lap "including" the GP track then it would be piloted by the "Iceman" and he would have Tom Cruise as his wingman

johnfelstead

The westfield cosworth was just under 8 minutes, but i was driving that when i didnt know the circuit much at all, fastest i have on video is 8:10, the car was faster than me there at that time. One of Ben Lovejoys ring trip writeups has a nice description of how quick that car was when i did the run from the start to around flugplatz pretty much flat out, as i knew that far pretty well. He was bricking it aparantly. I would think in that car now i would be in the 7:30's fairly easily. It wasnt a good choice of car to learn with looking back due to it being so low you couldnt pick up the lines too easily, i would sugest using a normal saloon as a car to learn in rather than something that raw performance wise.

The 200SX is about 8:30, which considering its a pretty basic spec of car thats not too bad really, it's a huge amount of fun in the medium speed corners where you can get the car very sideways. Last trip was the most fun in that using my cheapo road tyres at 40psi, the corner speeds were lower but the grin factor was higher.

I hadnt discovered the 'ring when i had my cossie, which is a shame, it would have been pretty fast. Last trip there Neil who bought it from me turned up in it, i tried to twist his arm but he wouldnt let me take it on track, aparantly i blew that chance when i gave him a run with me in the 200SX on a quick lap.

They are all fun, just very diferent, the westie was stupid fast in the medium speed sections and acceleration wise so that was hilareous when playing with the fast bikes, the 200SX is the most fun when you just want to play about sideways, the Impreza was most fun when you wanted a clinically quick and smooth run, it handled the track with so little drama and surprised a lot of the porsche's at the way it carried speed through the fast corners, it was brilliant in the wet.

I think thats the atraction of the ring, it isnt so much about the car, you can enjoy aspects of it in anything, its more about the driving experience as a whole thats fascinating about the circuit, its the only circuit i have driven that really rewards knowledge and allows you carry some very high speeds, you are 30-40MPH higher up than at a UK track, there are no anoying chicanes to kill the rythm or pace.

johnfelstead

Yep, an experience stuck well in the memory banks Matt, you forgot to mention i was on road legal slicks, it was also foggy and a bit of a pea souper at AF, that woke us up!!

It was those early experiences that helped put the idea of doing a DVD for new drivers at the 'ring in my mind, when we first went we hadnt a clue what to expect, it was very much a case of work it out as you went along. Those early trips were great fun full of great memories. I think you were in the westie when half way round it started snowing too? that was a bit hairy.

johnfelstead

LOL yeh, it would be in the high 9's using the full GP circuit and Northern loop. The fastest lap in the 24hr race in 2004 was 8:26, but they only used aprox 1/3 of the GP circuit this time.

Karl 227

Now that is very fast!!

Completely agree with the difficulty of learning the track in a low down car John, I've heard it from countless Westfield drivers.

Gutmann pug

Thats an interesting read John, thanks for that.........I will make sure I tap you up for a lap this year.

I agree with your points about it being intersting no matter what you drive. Cars are all totally different over there. The pug is pretty well flate out in alot of sections whereas in the scoob its more on and off, lift and brake.

We all have a few defining moments from the place......Mine has to be a lap in the pug with a 996 turbo. I was close early on then he lost me till Hohe acht where I was all over him again. He wouldnt let me past till Flantzgarten where I managed to pass (Emma just happened to be videoing there too ).....A little later in the day I was just getting into the car when a swiss guy tapped me on the shoulder and asked how many bhp my car had.....anyway it turned out he was the turbo owner and had really enjoyed the lap with me and asked for a Pax lap.
Could you ever imagine that sort of thing happening anywhere other than at the ring? because I sure as hell cant. If I got too near a porsche in the UK he would have me strung up let rather than come for a chat and exitedly ask for a pax lap..... I will never forget that.

Funny thing was I posted the video Emma took on here and got slated for it lol .........

Gutmann pug

Im only a novice stop picking on me

Karl 227

You fired the first shot in muppets

Gutmann pug

well im kinda starting to like it in there .........might have to pop in more often

ian_sadler

Its a black hole in there watch out

johnfelstead

Anytime Mr Pug.

Dont think i saw your posted video?

Most people at the ring are really friendly, the GT3 drivers arnt up themselves at all normally, just enthusiasts like the rest of us. The driver of the red 911 i pass in the DVD did the same thing, came and had a friendly chat, he was amazed it was a stock engine in my RA.

Gutmann pug

It only a 20 second clip John and I was gone so damned quick you might well have missed it

Ferrari drivers are a different kettle of fish all together though.....