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09 December 2004, 09:13 PM
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Not as much as you need in a country where salt is spread on the roads. The Japanese dont use salt, it makes all the difference.
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09 December 2004, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
What do the Japanese do, then? It's not as though it never gets cold in Japan.
BritInJapan could probably answer this.
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09 December 2004, 09:39 PM
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i brought a kit to this job then found out mine was done so if you want it pm me 4 details
Originally Posted by j4mou
pants, never thought about this 
whats the best process to underseal a car? what does one use?
whats the best process to underseal a car? what does one use?
09 December 2004, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by j4mou
pants, never thought about this whats the best process to underseal a car? what does one use?
whats the best process to underseal a car? what does one use?I got Scoobyclinic to do mine, they gave it a good going over with waxoil for around £100 I think it was.
The only problem was that it absolutely stank for weeks, made me feel high as a kite driving it back home.
09 December 2004, 10:09 PM
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So who puts the underseal on all the cars that leave Japan?
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
They do the lot except the specials (c spec/RA I think)!
The underseal thing I believe to be just scaremongering amongst UK buyers who paid over the odds!
It's like IM saying the 05 STi UK has extra underseal? Do you really believe that somewhere like Norway has worse weather that the UK?
The 05 UK probably has got a little extra but it's not because it needs it, it's because IM want to scare people off importing their own cars!!!
Sorry rant over, but this type of thing does wind me up a bit!
Jason 05 WRX EU import (& £3k better off!)
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
They do the lot except the specials (c spec/RA I think)!
The underseal thing I believe to be just scaremongering amongst UK buyers who paid over the odds!
It's like IM saying the 05 STi UK has extra underseal? Do you really believe that somewhere like Norway has worse weather that the UK?
The 05 UK probably has got a little extra but it's not because it needs it, it's because IM want to scare people off importing their own cars!!!
Sorry rant over, but this type of thing does wind me up a bit!
Jason 05 WRX EU import (& £3k better off!)
09 December 2004, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonius
So who puts the underseal on all the cars that leave Japan?
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
10 December 2004, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonius
So who puts the underseal on all the cars that leave Japan?
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
They do the lot except the specials (c spec/RA I think)!
The underseal thing I believe to be just scaremongering amongst UK buyers who paid over the odds!
It's like IM saying the 05 STi UK has extra underseal? Do you really believe that somewhere like Norway has worse weather that the UK?
The 05 UK probably has got a little extra but it's not because it needs it, it's because IM want to scare people off importing their own cars!!!
Sorry rant over, but this type of thing does wind me up a bit!
Jason 05 WRX EU import (& £3k better off!)
Surely your not saying Subaru go along the production line and pick cars out for undersealing based on the country there going to end up in!
They do the lot except the specials (c spec/RA I think)!
The underseal thing I believe to be just scaremongering amongst UK buyers who paid over the odds!
It's like IM saying the 05 STi UK has extra underseal? Do you really believe that somewhere like Norway has worse weather that the UK?
The 05 UK probably has got a little extra but it's not because it needs it, it's because IM want to scare people off importing their own cars!!!
Sorry rant over, but this type of thing does wind me up a bit!
Jason 05 WRX EU import (& £3k better off!)
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10 December 2004, 02:33 AM
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I honestly dont know as it gets damned cold, especially in the North where you can buy special 'cold area spec' cars with biger heaters, thicker carpets and such. I believe that they use grit alone but I will ask my agent when I next speak to him.
BritInJapan could probably answer this.
Simon
BritInJapan could probably answer this.
Simon
Here in Aomori prefecture it's damn cold, icy and snowy in the winter.
Japan does not use rocksalt to treat it's roads as they have no reserves.
The roads are ploughed down to an inch or two and the remaining snow quickly turns to rutted ice.
Winter tyres are used to improve traction/grip but extreme care and very slow driving is the norm. My commute to work in summer takes around 40 mins. This time is extended to 2 hours plus on very bad winter mornings.
At best a 'little' salt is spread, on an ad hoc basis, at some junctions.
Accidents due to ice/poor driving in winter are very common as winter tyres are not all the manufacturers would have us think.
So, your right to say that the undersealing is probably not as good as that used for UK spec cars.
10 December 2004, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GC8
UK spec cars are built on the same production line but not in the same production run; to extend you arguement to its logical conclusion, along with underseal, UK Classics should also have rear wipers, climate, folding mirrors, lower ratio final drives, more power, alloy body panels, body colour door handles, need I go on? Japanese cars dont have euroepean spec undersealing; thats a matter of fact not conjecture.
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Did'nt know they had folding mirrors either.
10 December 2004, 09:39 AM
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Scoobfan; youre correct, the UK cars have a lower specification that omits the items that I mentioned. My point was, that even though the cars are all built on the same line, they arent all built during the same production run and to the same spec.
It should also be considered that export production is only a small percentage of total production; the domestic market is by far the largest and Euro/other export market spec cars can be considered as a limited production run at best (with extra bodyseal).
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It should also be considered that export production is only a small percentage of total production; the domestic market is by far the largest and Euro/other export market spec cars can be considered as a limited production run at best (with extra bodyseal).
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10 December 2004, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Scoobfan; youre correct, the UK cars have a lower specification that omits the items that I mentioned. My point was, that even though the cars are all built on the same line, they arent all built during the same production run and to the same spec.
It should also be considered that export production is only a small percentage of total production; the domestic market is by far the largest and Euro/other export market spec cars can be considered as a limited production run at best (with extra bodyseal).
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It should also be considered that export production is only a small percentage of total production; the domestic market is by far the largest and Euro/other export market spec cars can be considered as a limited production run at best (with extra bodyseal).
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10 December 2004, 01:44 PM
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Sorry let me clarify my point,
When I said different countries I actually mean't European models hence the point about other northern EU countries. Aren't all eu cars the same spec? (LH drive aside that is) Or do uk cars get their own production run.. I think not? Are we to believe that all eu cars have inadiquate underseal?
Mine dosen't, it even says about underseal in handbook!
When I said different countries I actually mean't European models hence the point about other northern EU countries. Aren't all eu cars the same spec? (LH drive aside that is) Or do uk cars get their own production run.. I think not? Are we to believe that all eu cars have inadiquate underseal?
Mine dosen't, it even says about underseal in handbook!
10 December 2004, 02:15 PM
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Id agree; I believe that all EU spec cars have similar underseal and body protection. Perhaps the confusion came from the word 'imports', which means different things to different people; I regard an import as principally a JDM car. I would view a euro-import is a UK car bought cheaply in Europe.
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10 December 2004, 02:17 PM
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I think that the uk cars have added underseal added to them when they get into this country, an EU car may not be as well undersealed as a UK car but its a damn sight more undersealed than a JDM car which has none!
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10 December 2004, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
I think that the uk cars have added underseal added to them when they get into this country, an EU car may not be as well undersealed as a UK car but its a damn sight more undersealed than a JDM car which has none!
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Jap imports don't have underseal - Cheers
10 December 2004, 02:55 PM
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You can get it done, i had my MY03 JDM STi undersealed, cost 130 quid, took a fair time though to get it done as there is quite a lot to do. (ex subaru dealers or speciallists may/should have the equipment).
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10 December 2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobfan
Tony - You've answered my question.
Jap imports don't have underseal - Cheers
Jap imports don't have underseal - Cheers
10 December 2004, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Not as much as you need in a country where salt is spread on the roads. The Japanese dont use salt, it makes all the difference.
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Tony answered my question.
10 December 2004, 03:21 PM
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The correct answer from a man who imports JDM cars and has just looked at a freshly imported Classic is that there is underseal; but not enough. Tony is not correct.
10 December 2004, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
My car has no underseal on, its a JDM STi, sorry these cars dont have underseal out of the factory unless added afterwards.
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10 December 2004, 03:32 PM
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Ive also seen an MY04 V-ltd with no underseal.
From new they dont have any, they could get it done like i did afterwards but from the dealer and brand new, zero....
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From new they dont have any, they could get it done like i did afterwards but from the dealer and brand new, zero....
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10 December 2004, 03:33 PM
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Tony's Spec C undoubtedly wasn't undersealed at all - but that's not the norm. My '05 'ordinary' STI did have underseal, just not as much as a Euro-spec car.
10 December 2004, 03:38 PM
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Confirming what Id said earlier; cheers Andy. Are you driving it yet or are you still waiting for the Ministry to compile a Model Report? I think I might have found a feasible loop hole to avoid SVA for cars but Im not sure yet..... not limited to estate cars either; though the hearse-fiddle may become popluar!
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