M3 vs STI ?????
23 September 2004, 03:15 PM
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M3 vs STI ?????
Hi guys, Im just wondering which out of these two cars would be quicker in a quarter mile race ? both stock cars with decent drivers. I have always thought that the STI with its fourwheel drive and 280 bhp will kick M3's *** but I have heard from an M3 owner that thats not the story. any comments or ideas on this ? the STI Im talking about is V7 or V8s and M3 is ofcourse the e46
23 September 2004, 03:19 PM
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23 September 2004, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
The fact its 4WD makes it quicker??? lol
Is the 1/4 mile on gravel, ice, snow or sand???? No, its on tarmac. Comparing a 4wd sooped up hot hatch with an M3 is laughable.
Is the 1/4 mile on gravel, ice, snow or sand???? No, its on tarmac. Comparing a 4wd sooped up hot hatch with an M3 is laughable.
23 September 2004, 03:24 PM
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I'd imagine the Sti will be quicker upto 60 from a standing start, although there won't be much in it. From 60-100 the M3 will pull away with ease, whether it's an E46 or E36 Evo.
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23 September 2004, 03:44 PM
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thanks for all your comments guys, I have found a web page that has a list of 1/4 mile times for these cars, and the STI seems to be quicker but obviously this could be wrong. Im confused as I have heard or seen, read that 1/4 mile time of an STI if around low 13s but on best motoring they claim to be around 12.8 or 12.7s which is correct? or are drivers in bestmotoring just too good and burn a lot of clutch. http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm
23 September 2004, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shamrock
M3 is about 100 kgs heavier though, bhp per ton for M3 and WR1 are about the same.
It's like comparing a Bourgogne with a wine from the Isle of Wight.
23 September 2004, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
The fact its 4WD makes it quicker??? lol
Is the 1/4 mile on gravel, ice, snow or sand???? No, its on tarmac. Comparing a 4wd sooped up hot hatch with an M3 is laughable.
Is the 1/4 mile on gravel, ice, snow or sand???? No, its on tarmac. Comparing a 4wd sooped up hot hatch with an M3 is laughable.
And I've not seen an M3 beet my standard Sti my03 13.04 qtr as yet...
thiers nothing in it on the road though... until it gets damp... then the scoob just dissapers... aslo down a typical bumpy b road the scoob wins... I done it several times to rather bemused m3 drivers...
23 September 2004, 03:55 PM
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And I've not seen an M3 beet my standard Sti my03 13.04 qtr as yet...
thiers nothing in it on the road though... until it gets damp... then the scoob just dissapers... aslo down a typical bumpy b road the scoob wins... I done it several times to rather bemused m3 drivers...
23 September 2004, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shamrock
I'd imagine the Sti will be quicker upto 60 from a standing start, although there won't be much in it. From 60-100 the M3 will pull away with ease, whether it's an E46 or E36 Evo.
23 September 2004, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by shamrock
Is that a standard STi or a modified STi ?
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23 September 2004, 04:05 PM
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WOT..? as most cars doing the quarter in 13ish seconds... "mine 13.04 @ 99 mph" are crossing the line @ 100 mph how can a M3 be leaving the scoob 60-100 if they are both doing 100 MPH at the line and generaly the scoob would be infront.. ala 13.04 seconds! they may be level but M3's dont easily pull away...
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You Tell em Dazza! 
I've got a mate with an M3 and as confident as he is against my Classic in the dry (in a straight line) he admits that a Scooby is uncatchable when the going gets twisty esp if the conditions take a turn for the worst.
IMHO a standard new age STi would win to 60, but the BM would pull ahead shortly thereafter. Probably the same with PPP, but the margin would be less convincing. Add something like the TSL 333 package and I reckon the Scooby would win. At the end of the day the BMW is significantly heavier and less torquey.
Brilliant car though, was green with envy when my mate pulled up to the house originally!
Wouldn't say no to one myself, but i) Never want to be without a Scooby again and ii) No way I could afford an M3! ..... or should that be 
I've got a mate with an M3 and as confident as he is against my Classic in the dry (in a straight line) he admits that a Scooby is uncatchable when the going gets twisty esp if the conditions take a turn for the worst.
IMHO a standard new age STi would win to 60, but the BM would pull ahead shortly thereafter. Probably the same with PPP, but the margin would be less convincing. Add something like the TSL 333 package and I reckon the Scooby would win. At the end of the day the BMW is significantly heavier and less torquey.
Brilliant car though, was green with envy when my mate pulled up to the house originally!
Wouldn't say no to one myself, but i) Never want to be without a Scooby again and ii) No way I could afford an M3! ..... or should that be
23 September 2004, 04:11 PM
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With the couple tussles I've had with m3's Im not in the least bit worried about them atm. I might one day meet a m3 driver who can actually drive a bit, but till then, on my experiences, I'd say I have the edge.
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23 September 2004, 04:11 PM
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I thought an STi with PPP would produce around 305bhp, about 210bhp per ton and would have a qtr mile of 13.47. I might be wrong but that would still be slower than a standard E46 or E36 Evo.
23 September 2004, 04:12 PM
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Who cares?
Been done over and over, and every time, all the quoted figures come out from every motoring magazine under the sun...
MB
Been done over and over, and every time, all the quoted figures come out from every motoring magazine under the sun...
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23 September 2004, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
You Tell em Dazza!
I've got a mate with an M3 and as confident as he is against my Classic in the dry (in a straight line) he admits that a Scooby is uncatchable when the going gets twisty esp if the conditions take a turn for the worst.
IMHO a standard new age STi would win to 60, but the BM would pull ahead shortly thereafter. Probably the same with PPP, but the margin would be less convincing. Add something like the TSL 333 package and I reckon the Scooby would win. At the end of the day the BMW is significantly heavier and less torquey.
Brilliant car though, was green with envy when my mate pulled up to the house originally! Wouldn't say no to one myself, but i) Never want to be without a Scooby again and ii) No way I could afford an M3! ..... or should that be
I've got a mate with an M3 and as confident as he is against my Classic in the dry (in a straight line) he admits that a Scooby is uncatchable when the going gets twisty esp if the conditions take a turn for the worst.
IMHO a standard new age STi would win to 60, but the BM would pull ahead shortly thereafter. Probably the same with PPP, but the margin would be less convincing. Add something like the TSL 333 package and I reckon the Scooby would win. At the end of the day the BMW is significantly heavier and less torquey.
Brilliant car though, was green with envy when my mate pulled up to the house originally!
Wouldn't say no to one myself, but i) Never want to be without a Scooby again and ii) No way I could afford an M3! ..... or should that be As for the performance they are aboiut the same on an open road... had a dable a few times with mr M3 drivers.. 3 occations from m-way seed up and the Sti stuck with two upto the M3's v-max limiter... so on the raod they are equal... that is until you compare a moded scoob... my 13.04 qtr was blitzed by amost everything at the last meet most into early 12's... you really can't do that with an M3...
i suppose that appeal of bying a scoob.. becouse you could get silly if you wanted to..
Nothing against M3's though... very nice alround performance car... just a bit dull !
23 September 2004, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shamrock
I thought an STi with PPP would produce around 305bhp, about 210bhp per ton and would have a qtr mile of 13.47. I might be wrong but that would still be slower than a standard E46 or E36 Evo.
23 September 2004, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza's-STi
Since when has a Subaru been a hot hatch! Drrrrrr! or even a hatch... infact a Scood is closer to a M3 than any hot hatch being a family saloon or coupe...
And I've not seen an M3 beet my standard Sti my03 13.04 qtr as yet...
thiers nothing in it on the road though... until it gets damp... then the scoob just dissapers... aslo down a typical bumpy b road the scoob wins... I done it several times to rather bemused m3 drivers...
And I've not seen an M3 beet my standard Sti my03 13.04 qtr as yet...
thiers nothing in it on the road though... until it gets damp... then the scoob just dissapers... aslo down a typical bumpy b road the scoob wins... I done it several times to rather bemused m3 drivers...
Real world.
Twisties
Wet road.
You scoob boys eh. lol
23 September 2004, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza's-STi
I've not seen an M3 do anything quicker at any strips... have you?
Scooby owners (some). Boast about the twisties, the real world etc. Then get your **** out over drag strips.
Reality check - drag stripping your car is NOT COOL!! It only serves to damage the car. I'm sure BMW and Subaru put alot more effort into their car than how fast can it got over a 1/4 mile.
Get on a track - I guarantee an M3 would whoop any scoob. Hell, my old 944 turbo does. lol
23 September 2004, 04:24 PM
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I still cannot fathom out this twisties debate. I have owned a Scoob and borrowed an 03 M3 and for a Sccob to be quicker in the twisties requires speeds well over any speedlimit in this country and then it would be touch and go.
Comparing a Scoob with an M3 is a bit like comparing stringy bendy laughing cow with stilton.
Comparing a Scoob with an M3 is a bit like comparing stringy bendy laughing cow with stilton.
23 September 2004, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doo
I still cannot fathom out this twisties debate. I have owned a Scoob and borrowed an 03 M3 and for a Sccob to be quicker in the twisties requires speeds well over any speedlimit in this country and then it would be touch and go.
Comparing a Scoob with an M3 is a bit like comparing stringy bendy laughing cow with stilton.
Comparing a Scoob with an M3 is a bit like comparing stringy bendy laughing cow with stilton.
At last, sense.
Two diffferent cars. Simple.
23 September 2004, 04:30 PM
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I've not seen an M3 do anything quicker at any strips... have you?