Gridlock Mikey

STi 04 - STi 05

Surely not? Are there people out there that really would pay the extra grand just so they can say that they have a "new one"

DCCD Whoop de dooo If you live on a race circuit!!
Extra Grand Pah!!

Edcase

Absolutely.

DCCD makes a HUGE difference, as much on b-roads as on a race track.

Then there is the wider track, nicer interior etc etc.

If it wasn't for the fact that the 2.5 will be along in the nearish future, the 05 sti would almost be enough to tempt me back into a scooby.

sti-04!!

I wouldnt pay £1000 to upgrade my name from Sti-04 to Sti-05

So what you getting at mikey

Gridlock Mikey

Just wondered if people out there would be prepared to pay an extra grand for a car that will feel exactly the same to drive as it's predecessor?

Edcase

*sigh* so have you driven an 05 my, or even any of the newage cars with dccd and the geometry and setup changes like the litchfield supplied cars???

If you had, you would know how much difference there is.

sti-04!!

DCCD - A is ok for doing rear end burnouts & drifts but nothing else imho

I dont think its any good at all, just causes those inexperienced drivers to lose the back end & cause us law abiding good drivers insurance premiums to rocket

Just my 2p's

Gridlock Mikey

*Shakes head slowly, takes a drag of his **** If only he knew

marky1

I don't know but I paid £32,500 for my sti (with lots of extras) last Nov, I'm leaving the country, and phoned up dealer to see what I could get for it. Around £24,000 he says. And the trade value is £18,500 for a standard sti. Reckons prices gettting hammered because of the new one. You will probably get a new current model for 3-4K off list because they are desperate to shift them. I'm never buying a car again, depreciation is just mental, next time I'll be leasing I think.

Gridlock Mikey

Good point there Marky.
It seems that some folk, not only are happy to take the depreciation hit, but also PAY an additional grand AND convince themselves that it's a different car altogether. What's the world coming to?

Mullet

AndyC_772

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Dunno where the idea of the 2.5 engine came from - there's absolutely no suggestion that it's coming to the Impreza.

The '05 car has the Spec C's suspension geometry, wider tyres, DCCD, yaw sensor and modified steering setup, so how you can say it'll "feel exactly the same to drive as it's predecessor" is beyond me.

Given the choice of buying a brand new '04 STI or an '05 STI for a grand extra right now, I think it's money well spent. Your mileage may vary.

sti-04!!

I am in the process of losing roughly 9k from on my sti & thats in 6 months, market has took a major nosedive

But unfortunalty (sp) i need to take the kick in the ***** at the moment & look forward to late next year

Edcase

Let's agree to disagree on this one then. IMHO it totally transforms the front of the car, the turn in, less understeer, more balanced through mid-to-high speed corners etc.

So yes, I would gladly pay the extra 1k.

AndyC_772

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Funny how there's always some excuse to offer a pitiful trade-in price. There will ALWAYS be a new model by the time you come to trade in - and I can't believe 90% of would-be '05 buyers even know about the changes.

I'd never buy a brand new car with the intention of selling it soon after. I kept my last scooby for 4 1/2 yrs and plan to keep my new one ('05 JDM STI) for longer.

Edcase

It's as inevitable as when I said that DCCD would be standard on UK STi's in 2005 when it first came out on the jap cars and again when it was standard fit on the US cars.

Progress. Don't you love it?

I might just become a monk so I don't ever have to worry about anything depreciating or someone getting something better than me because they bought it more recently

marky1

It's not an extra £1000, it's about 4-5K. You could walk in to a dealer with cash and get an sit for 21,22k i reckon

Gridlock Mikey

That's an expensive seat

Edcase. I am stunned at your reply!

billythekid

[QUOTE=AndyC_772]Dunno where the idea of the 2.5 engine came from - there's absolutely no suggestion that it's coming to the Impreza.

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I have been told by 2 different people that the 2.5 turbo will be here sooner rather than later.

And 1 person said there may even be something better than the 2.5!

AndyC_772

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Inevitable? How did you work that one out?

The Japanese STI has had HID lights and a twin scroll turbo for years. How was it not 'inevitable' that they'd end up on the '05 car too?

You'd cry if you knew how far ahead in development the JDM engine is compared to the Euro lump (which hasn't changed since the car was first introduced as MY02). Yet it remains a 2.0 - why wasn't it 'inevitable' that Japan would get the 2.5?

Progress is great - it means whenever you buy, you always have the opportunity to buy something new and cool. But if you want progress to stop the moment you personally go and buy something, then you're a w*nker.

DBY

2.5 is just a matter of time, new car will be out back end of 2005 in japan we will get it early 2006, run out special edition with 2.5 engine i can here it now WR2 ect.

John

Edcase

Because dccd and the handling changes were more than enough to differentiate the 05MY Uk market at this point.

Yes, thanks, I'm well aware of how far ahead the JDM engine is. Perhaps because they have / are already doing so much enhancement on the 2.0? I didn't neccessarily suggest the 2.5 would even be on the 05MY...

Er, re-read my post, that's precisely the point I was making!!!

AndyC_772

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The funny thing here is that the Type 25's engine is precisely the Japanese heads mated to the USDM 2.5 bottom end, with an off-the-shelf larger turbo and a remap. If it's within the ability of a small independent garage to develop it, I can't believe the reason we (and Japan) don't have a 2.5 is a technical one.

I think you'd find the reason the Euro car is still a 3 yr old 2.0 is that's what was developed to pass EU type approval, and the expense involved in changing it (when most people seem happy enough with the PPP) isn't worth it.

Here's hoping that means they're developing something so much better that it IS worth going through type approval again - fingers crossed! (But, reckon on it being detuned and strangled to pass emissions, so it'll still need a post-registration PPP to make it work properly).

DJ WATTS

Then 400 horses out of the 2.5 lump should be more than easy and a standard upgrade path...

I can see TSL Motorsports in a few years...

Where some are all talk ours is all torque, forget PPP when you can have 444

Edcase

LOL, or to make it rhyme:

forget PoorPoorPoor and get 444!

Jiggerypokery

The 666 should make it quite a beast!

Daz34

Rumour has it that the MY2006 model will have a white wheel option

SL_WRX

Mike, I agree with you. £ 1000 extra (not taking into account you get a better deal buying an 04 now, rather than the 05 - oh and the dealers are running very low of 04 STI's so news of the 05 isnt affecting sales) - no engine changes - still 265PS, and yes DCCD would be nice, but would people really use it and make use of its full potential - I think not, and its likely that for "most" (not all) that think yes are more likely to stick it in a ditch messing around with it.

I have also driven a JDM STI with DCCD so can make a comparison between the two, and for most drivers you'd find it difficult to really tell the difference.

MadMark

Cor Mister! All we need now is Mikey to place an order for one .......

wrxmania

Where can you get a new STI for 21 or 22k from a Subaru dealer, supplied new? Unless Subaru themselves are discounting them, then no chance really.

Brian

marky1

Try Hunt and Keal in Kensington London. Thought they told me they had a few for 22k new they are trying to shift

davedipster

Does the DCCD on the 05sti mean 5k serivces instead of 10k?

Dipster