Hol

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Im probably going to need to buy a 6speed STI next. Probably a STI7.

Whatever I get will have a remap, new bottom end (2.5) and a bigger Turbo.

BUT, what are the differeences as standard?

Im specifically interested in:

Body
wheels
Brakes
Interior
Age???
Lights (although Ill be getting Morettes)

any thing else.

some driver impressions would also be helpful...

Thanks Guys

greasemonkey

Silly question, but what do you think an STi7 is?

Why so keen to chuck a 2.5 in straight away? Prob better to run it for a while as it comes. At least then you'll get more of a buzz out of the displacement increase if/when you eventually do fit it.

If you're comparing a 2002 model year STi Type UK with an MY01 or MY02 non-Spec C JDM STi, the body is, to all intents and purposes, the same. Same weight, although there may be minor differences with undersealing.

All basically the same.

Eh? What exactly are you asking here? The 2001MY STi's were only sold in Japan. The first Type UK's were 2002 model year cars (and are thus STi8's, if you're going to use the silly numbers! ).

IIRC the JDM cars had HID headlights as an option. Type UK's are halogen only. Still, if you're going to junk them for Morettes, this is a non-issue.

Most of the Japanese market cars have the DCCD-A (driver controlled centre diff with automatic mode), which gives more rear-biased, generally more entertaining handling. JDM cars have slightly stiffer suspension setup as well, IIRC. Plenty of information on the DCCD elsewhere on the forum, just click Search.

Hol

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Hmmm.

Greasemonkey, Im not sure you understood the question? But thanks for the answer.

Im talking about the UK car known as the 'Bugeye STI7', the first new car to have a 6 speed box as standard and circa 2001/2.

Im already getting the 2.5 engine and these ideally need a 6speed box. rather than put in it my (Modified -ECU etc..circa 340bhp) 2.0 type R, I wanted to buy a newer car and stick it in that.
And, I wont have to source a box and rear diff for the R.

My question is:

What is the dirfference between the Bugeye 2001/2 UK car and the (slightly earlier) JDM Bugeye STI (NOT WRX) car.

Just to clarify I do not mean the new shaper 'STI8'UK equivalent car (Spec c etc).


I have heard stories of smaller brakes/bigger brakes, WRX Bumpers, higher spec interiors, lower geared diffs & boxes, electric folding mirrors and different exhaust. But most odf this was uncoroborated, so i thought id ask?

greasemonkey

Your question was poorly worded, and lacking in clarity, which is why I asked you to clarify it.

There is no such thing as a UK "bugeye STi7". While that term is often used round here it's incorrect. As mentioned further up, the bugeye STi Type UK's are STi8's, if you're going to use a number, although it's better all round if you don't.

If you get an STi Type UK, you won't get the DCCD, which you're presumably aware alters the handling of the car.

As mentioned there's no such thing as a 2001 STi Type UK. The UK bugeye STi's are all 2002 model year.

Already mentioned the differences. They're slight.

Is there any chance you could stop using these "numbers", as you're confusing the situation rather than clarifying it. The current shape "blobeye" cars are the model year 2003 and 2004's (if you want to use a number, these are STi9's and STi10's. The bugeyes are model year 2001 (7) and 2002 (8). As mentioned, the first UK bugeye STi was the 2002 model year version.

The only new age STi's that have small Subaru brakes are the 16" wheel Spec C's. All the rest have the 325mm front/310mm rear Brembos.

Bumpers should be the same.

Interiors are largely the same. The only car that has the "low spec" interior is, again, the 16" wheel Spec C. Incidentally, you seem to be thinking that the Spec C's are only the "new shape". That's not correct, there were bugeye Spec C's made in both 2001 and 2002 model years.

UK cars have a longer fifth and sixth than the Japanese cars. 1st-4th are the same. As mentioned, the UK cars don't have a DCCD, which you will have on your current car.

Could always try searching, either here or on the web.

Hol

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Now I am confused.

I thought the spec C was the 2003 car. The current facelifted shape one.

john banks

If you have a Type R already might the gearbox be up to the job?

The six speed is a bit short geared for a maximum or even moderate effort 2.5.

TonyBurns

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Nope, as Greasemonkey says, the Spec C was around in 2001/2, the MY03 Spec C's have a few differences, mainly under the bonnet

Tony

S.B.

Are spec c's any good

greasemonkey

You were confused when you started. You're more confused now!

No, you've got the wrong end of the stick there.

The "Spec C" is the name given to the stripped out, lightweight STi's that are used as the homologation base for the Group N rallycars. Like I said, there have been Spec C's available in the 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 model year ranges. The 2001 and 2002 cars are obviously the bugeye shape, and the 2003/4 cars are the facelifted "blobeye" shape.

They are available in addition to the "normal" JDM STi's, not instead of them, as you appeared to be thinking further up.

Apple

Anyway, back to the original thread

If you do get a JDM bugeye with HID and change them for Morettes, can you chuck the n/s headlight my way for a smal fee?

Ta,

Apple

scoobycar60

I and too many to mention have always referred to the MY02 Prodrive type UK "Bugeye" as an STI7. Has this suddenly changed?
I thought the "8" and "9" referred to the JDM numbering schemes
or are all "7"'s really 8's if so what is a 7

greasemonkey

No, it hasn't suddenly changed. It was just as incorrect back then as it is now. One person said it, someone else copied him, and before anyone could say abracadabra, just about everyone on SN was saying it. Still doesn't make it correct. It's a bit like me deciding to call you, I dunno, Florence, and then everyone else on SN copying me. Still doesn't make your name Florence...

In reality the refer to pretty much **** all. The new age Impreza STi's don't officially have these numbers at all. There is a logic to the number system explained below, but because different people have different ideas of how this "number" system works, it's got to a point where all it does is confuse folk. That's why it's clearer to just use the model year and whether the car's a UK, JDM or whatever. If you say you're talking about an MY03 STi Type UK, everyone knows exactly what car you're talking about.

Like I said, officially speaking, there's no such thing as a 7 or an 8. The only number system that has any sort of logic is that 2001 model year cars are 7's, 2002MY are 8's, 2003MY are 9's and 2004MY are 10's, and so on.

Thus, the only "real" STi7's are the 2001 model year cars, which were only available in Japan.

The bugeye STi Type UK's are 2002 model year, which, if you're going to use a number, makes them 8's.

As mentioned though, it's clearer to just use the model year and market. Less chance for confusion that way...

ByByR1

Greasemonkey, you make it sound simple.
I have just bought an 2002 STi type UK prodrive, so this is the best way off explaining it not an STi8?

scoobycar60

Greasemonkey
Thanks for the detailed explaination that helps.

From now on:-
I will describe my car by its year and model type.
ie MY02 STI Prodrive Style type UK with PPP, for as long as I have it

God help me as I have on order an :-

EVO 8 (Known in the club as 8.5) MR FQ340, or a least I think that is what it is!

Does FQ really mean f***ing quick!

greasemonkey

Yeah, MY02 STi Type UK Prodrive describes it just fine.

Trouble with calling them STi7's, 8's or whatever is that, as mentioned above, one person's STi7 is another's STi8. I've even seen 2004MY STi's being referred to round here by different people as STi8's, 9's and 10's, which just goes to show how fecked up the whole "number thing" has become!

SC60 - don't ask me about Evo's, don't have a clue! But, at least with them, it does actually say Evo VIII on the boot lid, so no excuse for not getting that bit right!

Danny B

People will stop you in the street and ask what a MR Lancer is

greasemonkey

Mrs Lancer's husband presumably?

scoobycar60

Lol at greasemonkey and Danny B

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