gridgway

So I have a P1, just on 3 years old 45k miles bog standard cept for Godspeed front brakes. It's time for a change, well just because it is.

I have driven the standard STi ppp, but it didn't do it for me. It was fast enough and felt great to drive, but the pregnant pause aka turbo lag is a real turn-off. I would be dissapointed to change from the P1.

I have driven Ian's Spec C which is just sublime. Great steering feel, brill brakes and lightning throttle response. Downside is the 'import' factor, higher depreciation (I guess), more difficult servicing, insurance (although not that bad), but most of all I would have to sell the P1 privately to buy it and I'm a lazy geezer and can't be ar*ed with that. Also the T25 was coming when I drove the Spec C.

Then there's the WR1, easy to buy (assuming there's one to be had) p/x with a dealer, but what will it be like? Not outright speed, but will it pass the dissapointment test (will I wish I'd kept the P1) and will it be as good as Ian's spec C is in the steering, going and stopping dept?

Then there's the T25, more money, the import factor etc.

So this is a car that I'll keep for ano 3 years and 45k miles, what should I do??

Graham

16vmarc

Either keep the P1 or have you thought about looking for a 22B, if you can afford one that is.

gatman

its a hard life aint it mate, you have been spoilt go for a used sti standard 8 then put the tsl triple pack on? then again what do i know???? i will get my coat....

Gutmann pug

I drove Iains spec C 6 months ago and almost sold my 5 month old MY03 STi on the spot. I think for the money its the fella to have, the type 25 is great but alot of cash.
As for the import side of things the Spec C wont depreciate anymore than any other scoob, less maybe coz they are ALL imports and will be reasonably sought after in a few years time. There will be loads of MY04 STi's but not so many faster rawer spec C's.

Just my two peenys worth


Oh and Gatman ........ i have the 333 re-map and my own de-cat and it aint as good as the spec C from memory. Damned good dont get me wrong but not as responsive as the Spec C with miltek and UK re-map

ScoobyTal

what about a JDM sti gl ?? ddca quick rack twin scroll turbo hid lights ect ect

most of the performance of a spec c but imho a better alround car?

exhaust remap ect - 350bhp

Tal

gatman

are you happy with your sti 8 , have you checked the performance figures ? on a dyno?

Nevetas

What about an Evo? Not tempted?

gatman

come on mate behave your swearing now, just think petter solberg when your driving and you will beat any evo!!!!!

Nevetas

richie,7,RA,spec C

i drove it i bought it what can i say

T5NYW

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Sorry but the EVO is by far the better track car generally but £ per driver enjoyment and lower costs, the Scooby wins IMHO sorry totally bias

The newage Scooby problem is weight Personally i would go for Type 'C' with a 2.5Ltr £1K more than a Type 25 Secondly I would higher the 1st gear ratio on both, as in STD form, both are to low for the amount of Torque available on the 2.5Ltr models IMHO AFAIRC IIRC etc.etc.

Tony

p1virgin

AFAIK I haven't been stranded on a desert island, but I don't know what a Type 25 is - sorry!!! Can someone enlighten me?

Cheers

Paul

PC555

http://www.type-25.co.uk/

ummmmmmmmmmmm .......

P1_BEN

Hi Gridgway.... I was in exactly the same position and like you a combination of being a lazy ar$e... Wanting something that will excite me as much as the P1 I traded it in for a WR1, I chose it purely for how easy it is, 3 year warranty again like you I hadn't modded the P1 at all and that was enough for me, and again i'm not going to be modding the WR1...

gatman

tony....you know to much.! your gonna have to share a few pints with me and enlighten me with your scoob knowlege

Gutmann pug

Gatman ........yeah im happy with my 333 STi and no i havent checked it on the dyno.......i dont need a rolling road to tell me its a much much better car then it was before......

gatman

gutmann pug ........nice one i would like to get the triple3 my self just a little dodgy about the warrenty still, so i will stick to investing on some quality 18" lightweight alloys it then start giving it some!

T5NYW

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Gatman,
I don't drink any more or any less Sorry, I'm not that knowledgable just pass on the few things from others I meet But Ian Litchfield did take me around Bedford in the T25 and it was quick
Did I meet you at the Plough Far forest ?? Sorry I have a head like a sieve.

Tony

gatman

yeah we did it was good meeting the crew and i was intrested with what you were saying about getting a roll bar fitted you will have to let us know where i can get one .

Edcase

driven all of them, most recently the t25 last tuesday. What can I say, its an utterly incredible package. If you have an sti8 ppp or even 333, I suggest you don't test one of these because you will think about it every morning when you wake up and every night before you go to sleep. Turbo lag? What turbo lag?

However, i think its a spec c for me. I'm more track biased and 7k more than a spec c is a lot of cash for not a proportional increase. I'm also concerned about depreciation with the t25.

That said, if money was less of an object, it would be the t25. I just cant imagine anything this side of twice the price coming anywhere close, and yes I have also driven a ferrari 355 amongst others.

T5NYW

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You can get PowerFlex Rear Drop Links and Whiteline Rear Adjustble Anti-roll bar about £220 to buy and £260 fitted from TSL Near Northampton or POWERSTATION Cheltemham you ought to consider Anti lift kit and 4W alignment about £250 ish. It would really Transform you car Prices are a very rough guess.


Ed,
Your a Tart LOL. Sorted out a new plaything yet I agree with the T25 but I 'm more tempted with a type 'C' with the same 2.5ltr conversion is only £1K more than the price of the T25 IIRC

Tony

Edcase

not yet m8. check my thread in other marques.

'Standard' spec c will do me

jason4656

personally i think the jdm 2ltr is better in some ways, can rev higher and im quite sure you can still easily get 350bhp/torquelb/ft out of it with a few mods, due to the engine internalls, I dont think the us 2.5ltr is forged pistons or crank just all standard kit, i might be wrong but its just what im lead to beleive from a few discussions i had with certain people.

type 25 is a top car, no doubt i have driven it, and if i had 34 to play with then i would be having one, however if i had 25 which i have, will more than likely go with a spec c and a few mods, or a top gl either way.

TonyBurns

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Jason has hit it on the head i think
The JDM engines are better in every way over the uk cars engine, you have the twin scroll, bigger turbo (rollerbearing on the spec c) and shorter 5th and 6th gearing
The WR1 is going to be a good all round package and with 315bhp and 310lbs of torque its not bad in the power department (very unrealistic 0-100 times though IMHO). The Spec C will match this car in every department, it will have as much if not more bhp per tonne, definately more torque out of the box and is over 100kg lighter, it is a much more focused car though so you have to know what your getting into.
For over 30k though id go for the T25, lots of low down torque (as per the spec c) but possably more usable and it will be based on a JDM car so has much more in the way of goodies

Tony

papascooby

t25 - beast with everyday practicality. I'd take this over any of the others. If I'd have had an extra 12k to play with, I'd have bought one no question...with a wrx spoiler for stealth.....

or maybe a second hand skyline???

still my wrx will do

gridgway

looks like the spec C or the spec C with the 2.5l engine then! £35k is a lot of money though. £28k on the Litcho spec C sounds good.

Anyone want to buy a P1?

Graham

jason4656

im wondering why you would want to bother putting a usdm 2.5ltr bottom end into a spec and actually pay for it? if i was buying one, would stick with the 2ltr, you can see with what br has achieved on his car that probably 350-400 bhp and similar torque is achievable also the engine internals are much more up for it

gridgway

Jason,

could you explain for a bit of a numpty please?

usdm?
br?
why are the engine internals on the spec C much more up to it?

Sorry to be dumb!
Tks
Graham

T5NYW

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Graham,
United States Domestic Market

Engine internals on the earlier UK and JDM STi's were different The turbo's & ECU program may be the only difference on new Models IIRC


Tony

jason4656

tony, i dont think the uk cars even now have a the nitrated crank, alloy con rods or forged pistons, as does the usdm 2.5ltr afaik. The standard red line of the uk car is what 7k? where its 8k on the jdm cars.

br was bob rawle of brdevelopments, there is a thread in the projects forum detailing what he has done with his car, thats what i was referring to