salsa-king

poppin to see a MY03 this week
the guy says its Cyprus import!
is that the same as a Dutch Import?

anyone else got a WRX3 from Cyprus.. is there any problems i could encounter?
i know it would be classed as UK car.. as its UK spec.
but how do others look upon Cypriot imports over Dutch.. are they still a good buy?

Phil

Andy555

I thought all Scoobs in Cyprus were the same spec & power to Jap imports.

Brun

I'm sure i've read about trouble buying Cypus cars - i could be wrong, but i'm sure someone will tell you

logiclee

A UK car bought in the EU would be covered under EU legislation. A minumum 2 year Subaru Warranty would be in force although I believe Subaru give the full 3 years now.
UK dealers have to treat an EU car the same as a UK car by law so there should be no problem with servicing, warranty or repairs on a EU car.

Cyprus is not part of the EU

So non of the above applies. It may be a UK car but main dealers can trea it the same as a grey import if they wish.
It will probably come with a third party warranty which differ widely on how good they are. Most will not allow any modifications.
Come trade in expect lower values than a UK or even an EU car but if your not selling it for 5 years Phil it will be less of an issue.

Cheers
Lee

Apple

Phil,

Warranty = zilch on a Cypriot car as it's outside the EU and IM possibly won't accept it if you try and register it with them IMO

It may be classed as a grey import as it wouldn't be a parallel import being outside the EU. Ask the bloke to see the Certificate of Conformity and check the paperwork for the chassis numbers against those on the car. If it has got the paperwork, it could have European Whole Vehicle Type Approval and IM can't argue.

Personally I wouldn't touch with a bargepole.

My MY02 is an import but is from Belgium so has all the legit papers etc - it makes life a lot easier.

Apple

compshack

Cypus or Malta cars are the same as UK ones so long as they have a certificate on comformity which the seller should have. If so they are exactly the same, apart from the alarm which is derived from the country of import. You might need to get a cat 1 alarm fitted. Also there is NO Subaru warranty because Cyprus is outside the EU. I have a STi 8 from motorpoint which was from Malta, I have had no probs up till now.

salsa-king

i've read the cyprus car reviws via the Sn seach.. all i can see is ppl mentioning that its no different to a dutch import on the warranty issue.. and no alarm or under seal!

alarms are not that expensive!
underseal can be done easily enough.

I test drove a dealer ex demo car... still £18995 with 500miles on the clock

the cypriot car i'm seeing has 4.5k miles on it.. and under £16k!.. and the 'dealer' say he will give it a £ year warranty anyway.. as long as its done propely at a specialist.
Roger Clark has services the car before.. and I'd use TSL anyway.

so should i becarefull?

Apple

a bit extra taken from "Carbuyer Online" (used to be "Car Import Guide")

"Maltese import

I have received a very attractive quotation for a Peugeot 307 110 HDI D Turbo 5-door. The import agent tells me it's sourced from Malta. Would I have any problems with the vehicle being UK spec? Should I find one sourced near the UK? Thank you.
D S Lewis
(November 2002)

Malta is outside the EU so you will encounter extra problems with importing cars from there. It's not to say it can't be done, but the fact the car is not European Union specification means:
- you will have to take extra care to make sure the car is to exact UK specification, with the same equipment level (there might be the odd styling difference too)
- The car will not have a Certificate of Conformity, unlike an EU car. This means the car will need either to undergo ESVA (Enhanced Single Vehicle Approval) testing (contact your local DVLA office to find out more), or you will need to get an ESVA certificate if an identical model has already been through the safety and security test (contact BIMTA - British Independent Motor Traders Association - 01892 515425).
In short, if the savings are mouth-watering and you're happy with the agent, by all means go ahead, but we usually recommend you stick to the much simpler process of importing a car from the EU."

If the car is already over here (as I assume from what you've posted), ask about the form mentioned above.

I wonder if the 1 year warranty is a 'sweetener' from the dealer so he can shift / get shot of the car...

Apple

[Edited by Apple - 11/24/2003 6:41:14 PM]

salsa-king

http://www.bobgerard.co.uk

take a look at the dealer web site
he says its a car they supplied from new2.. now the customers is selling it.

03 WRX £15,495

He also says it has the cirtificate ppl are on about and they only sell cars that have them.

anyone seen/had dealimgs with these ppl before?



[Edited by salsa-king - 11/24/2003 6:44:58 PM]

logiclee

Phil,

Just becareful with the warranty.

Most of these dealer type warranty's are done through an insurance company such as "Warranty Holdings".

If the warranty is of this type they will try anything to get out of paying for a repair. They mostly state in their terms and conditions "No Modifications". Stick a decat on and it's bye bye warranty.

Lee

logiclee

I notice it says manufacturers warranty in their advert. You need to check this out and make sure it is registered with IM.

Seems a bit strange a non EU car being accepted by IM for full 3 year Subaru Warranty.

Lee

salsa-king

seems strange i know!

but motorpoint sell cyprus cars as well don't they.. theres are £16595.. if you look at their web site.

Phil

logiclee

There was a thread not too long back about Motorpoint.

I think someone cancelled their order as the car only came with the Motorpoint warranty not a Subaru warranty.

Also you need to add pdi and on the road costs to Motorpoints price as well as the Alarm and underseal cost.

Lee

salsa-king

hmmm
but dutch imports don't havea UK warranty eithr tho do they?

spoke to trouser.. he says theres nothing to worry about

Phil

greasemonkey

Yes, they do once registered with IM. You can't do that with a Cypriot or Maltese import.

logiclee

Phil,

Dutch imports have the Subaru EU warranty, this is registered with IM and UK Subaru dealers will carry out warranty work on these cars the same as UK cars.

Cars bought outside of the EU (Cyprus/Malta/Japan)do not usualy come with any sort of recognised Subaru warranty. They normally have a third party insurance type warranty.

If the seller is saying this car comes with Subaru pan-european warranty then you will need to double check with IM that it's registed with them and is in order.

Lee

salsa-king

i get it now.
think i could do a better deal now then with them!

Least i can go down there now with a bit more info up my sleave.

do cypriot Imports sell a lot cheaper new than dutch cars?

tnx

salsa-king

think i'll see what he has to offer me on mine in PX then as well.

Phil

BL

Phil

Same as Apple my car was imprted from the same dealer in Belgium.

Have you considered imprting yourself direct? If ya want i can give you the contact details.

I was looking into buying a car fro Cyprus. But on speaking to IM they told me it will NOT be covered under warranty.

The cars from Cyprus are cheaper from Belgium, but personally i wouldnt take that risk.

Bob

Floyd

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Autocar

TVR Gary

Cor dont you lot go on alot .......

There is nothing wrong with a cypriat car. If any of you have proof of problems in the last three years with such a car then lets hear about it. Ie car broke down, couldnt get it fixed under 3 year dealer warranty (coz thats what most of the cyprus import dealers supply)
On one hand you guys beat on about how reliable and great scoobys are, but then on the other you wont consider any warantty other than from your UK dealer.
Just because someone pays less money for his scoob than you on your UK car you feel you have to defend your choice.

Be careful guys coz you are be-littling what is the same car as yours and knackering peoples re-sale value for no reason what so ever....(''wouldnt touch it with a barge pole !!!'')

Oh and as for the comment saying put a de-cat on and its bye bye warranty, thats worse on a UK car, an import dealer will often be sympathetic to small sensible mods and retain your warranty.

Only problem I can see is that you cant put PPP on the car.

I used to like this place but sometimes it wears thin

edited to say SORRY bad morning ..... but this sort of thread annoys me when the comments are negative




[Edited by TVR Gary - 11/26/2003 8:58:31 AM]

Taff107

TVR Gary, I think you've knocked it on the head here. I have a 02 WRX from Cyprus and it is exactly the same as a UK car. The Warranty is covered by Subaru and I've not had any trouble with it whatsoever. I know which I would rather pay for..

MelTypeR

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As far as i was aware all car that come from Cyprus are now UK\EE spec i.e come with warranty.

This is because the south side of Cyprus had joined the EU last year and all cars sold through main dealership (not just Subaru) must be either EU or UK spec.

I was told this by the Subaru dealer over there where i had bought mine.



Mel.

SlowBoy

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...which I had a ride in at the weekend (grey STi 5, Type R). Very nice As far as I know, the current owner hasn't had any problems with it.

TVR Gary

Ah so maybe not such a problem then?

yuleycees

I once bought an import from Cyprus (not a scooby) Beware, they have much less underseal on car and tend to rust faster, also mine didn't have cat on it, 2nd hand prices terrible, Dutch import is exactly same spec as UK car I think ?

MelTypeR

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Glad to see he's still taking care of it like i used to Slowboy.

logiclee

Gary,

As some of your comments seem to be aimed at me so I shall reply.

I have just sold a Dutch import (Not a Scoob). Because it was imported before the EU ruling I only got 1 years manufactures warranty, the remaining two years were a RyAuto's dealer warranty which was undewritten by a well known insurance company.

I have had one or two problems during the last 18 months of the insurance type warranty. It's like trying to get blood out of a stone I can tell you.
We all know that Subaru will probably argue about an engine blow up if you have a dump valve and full decat fitted but they wouldn't refuse a claim somewhere else on the car.
I had a wishbone fail and the warranty company refused to pay out on the grounds that I had fitted a stainless backbox , they also said the warranty was now totaly void as they dont do modified cars. .
Search the bbs for third party warranties or "Warranty Holdings" I believe one or two people have legal battles ongoing on this board.

I class Phil (salsa-king) as a friend and we have talked about the car off the bbs. I'm happy for him if he gets the car but Phil needs to check a few things out and make sure he's getting the best deal. I'd even said I'd go with him if I was free.

My advice stands. An EU import is worth less than a UK car obviously but an EU car has a 2/3 year Subaru warranty that any UK dealer will honour. A car from outside the EU may well have a car dealer warranty which may be of the insurance type, this needs checking as to how the car is warranted. For this reason I would say you should be looking at around £1000 less than a Dutch import for a 03 WRX from Cyprus.

Lee

[Edited by logiclee - 11/26/2003 4:59:16 PM]

salsa-king

stop it boyz

lol


The car i wanted to look at might have been sold!
just called Bod Gerards and he says someones put a deposit on it.

and YES.. it was under sealed... and it was THEM that would give it its warranty... so if they went through... i loose the the cover!


Phil