neil@wrx

will a pug 205 mi16 beat a P1 ( full de-cat + k&n ) on a 1/4 mile

Thanks

chiark

Rather depends on exact specs?

Bit like saying "will a skoda beat a subaru"?

si325i

bit harsh on skoda's. cos they got 4x4 and turbo's too.

si.
ps:
think the answer to your Q is NO. as in NO WAY JOSE A.

neil@wrx

straight swop from the 405 to a 205 (20lt 16v ???bhp)

jameswrx

iTrader: (4)

No, IMO

Seen loads of 205's do the 1/4, but they never seem to get good times. Traction is going to be the problem.

And I'm not slagging the 205, I love them and have owned a couple, but no chance if it's std Mi16 engine, road tyres etc. Think they are circa 150bhp?

Gedi

160bhp

Eatpies

not a hope in hell!
my midly modded VTS can keep with a mi16 205 in 1/4 mile
and im dam sure a P1 would roast both!

Nathan L

As James pointed out traction is the biggest problem. Whilst 160bhp in a 205 gives a good power to weight ratio getting that power down quickly is not easy.

4wd and 280+bhp should win out.

vindaloo

On any particular run it depends on the driver. If the P1 driver is mechanically sympathetic and bogs it down, a good driver in the 205 will embarrass him, even if he doesn't untimately win.

I would like to see what happens if both cars are on small, hot slicks. On road tyres the 205 doesn't have the traction.

Vindaloo.

Nox

A 205 mi16 on throttle bodies, and a few other tricks may give you a fright good for 200bhp +

day tripper

Do you mean a 205 with a mi16 engine from the 405, or do you mean the mid engined 205 homoglation ones?

richieh

if said 205 is running 1.6 gearbox it'd be close towards the end but the p1 will win on start line traction
unless its a very twisty turny quarter mile in which its bye bye p1
what sort of terninal speed will a p1 get over the quarter?
richie

Gedi

One of the lads used to have a 205 mi16 on 45 webbers. They do push 200bhp when done correctly. Great fun.

One of these on a track with a good chassis setup and some 4 pots is gonna be some serious competition to most of the top end cars.

Did you ever see the 205 with the cossie engine tuned to 350bhp and full 4x4 running gear. Bet that was one of the most fun cars ever built.

And as Scoobykev says, why are things always compared to a P1?
Whats the facination, why not a TypeR, or an STI6, or a spec c etc...

CraigH

Because most people are ignorant and think a P1 is the best when it's not. It's just the most common higher performance one.

-rocky-

an mi16 205 will run high 14's at the very very best. probably somewhere with an average driver around 15. The p1 with its bit of trickery its had done should be comfortably breaking into the 13's. if it cant then hes not driving right.


all in all no contest.

LG John

You should be fine 9 times out of 10 My P1 fast UK beat a 260bhp VTS simply because I put all the power down from the second I left the line. He was catching up but not quick enough 4WD is the way to go for 1/4m in my opinion

chiark

Si... That was the point of the post. Take a rapid skoda against a Justy and it'll beat it.

Likewise you can have a P1 detting badly against an mi16 and the mi16's power to weight will annihilate it IMHO

si325i

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/

Adam M

saxo boy,

at what speed was he catching you exactly?

because if you get traction and start accelerating first, even with identical performance you will always be travellign faster so will keep pulling and pulling away.

He needs to have a massive advantage to stop you pulling away and a huge one to reel you back in.

even with 260bhp against your 300 with an exhaust, his pwr is not going to be anywhere near hih enough for what you are saying to make sense unless you are not great off the line (like you said you were) or are down on power.

Red_vRS

will a skoda beat a scooby? dunno ask slyfox? or i could just post the vids... im sure TaviaRS will back me up on this! ( I am talking round a track not up a lame 1/4 mile. 4x4 will be quicker than fwd unless driven by a complete muppet)

LG John

I pulled a massive lead off the line but at about 85mph (i.e when I moved into 4th) he started to come back. I have about 270bhp and 1200kg, he has 260bhp and 900kg (stripped out). This gave him a massive pwr which is why he was beginning to come back

If he could have put the power down better he COULD have theoretically beaten me easily.

if

sly fox

the answer to the question above is that this particully red vrs is not exactly standard.

I will admit both are very equally matched on the track, but over a qtr mile the scooby is still quite a bit quicker (4x4 traction)

sly

tmo

In answer to the org. question ..... no way.
I have a my00 turbo and a 205 mi16 rally car.
The scooby would win hands down.

RichardPON

Daytripper,

I think you'll find the Mi16 was in the 405, and the mid engine rally homologation was the T16. Turbocharged - similarly named engine found in French 405s. There is a blue one doing a few track days at the moment, and it's very quick!

longun

The 205 altho a great great car is no match on traction. On a tight circuit tho it might be a different matter. Or if the 205 has a few more mods than just the Mi engine. The 4WD scooby has no advantage once moving in a straight line so if the 205 could pull the same power to weight as the scooby and had a very very good diff/box then possible altho your then standard vs Modded and thats not really fair. Its all down to the start for the 205.

tmo

If its a T16, then it would eat the scooby. Proper proper piece of group B rally kit, thats if its origional, which is not very likely.

longun

The T16 are rare and worth loads. There are a few TT (turbo technics) 205's out there and some are quite quick but still not got the grip. The T16 is the only 205 that would beat a scooby.

k9any

Just going by what I have seen for myself....my friends Clio Williams (chipped & decat zorst) which is same sort of power weight to a Pug Mi16 ran 14.3 at York.

Reckon a P1 does quicker than that as standard?

However he did embarass a lot of standard UK Scoobys on the day.

mista weava

i got munched by a 205 in my modded wrx on 1/4 mile

- however it had no windows and a 3litre v8 supercharger driving back wheels!!

grass track special!

but he only took 0.9 seconds!

i say only - i was expecting it to take more !

on the mi16 convo - i am buiding one out of my trusty steed of 2 years before scoob and am employing twin 45's plus - oh and i managed to get a nitrous kit dirt cheap. is wizars of nos street blaster 100.

should be interesting - regards P1 - **** knows!

Weava

Dream Weaver

Having just bought an Mi16, I would say no.

To all the people that go on about "getting the traction down", i would also say this isnt a problem.

The power delivery is odd - it builds up slowly from low down, and you sit there thinking "come on", then at 4k rpm it takes off and flies up to 7k rpm. So far I just cannot get the wheels to spin even in the wet.

So on a drag strip, the P1 would be well away before the power had kicked in on the Mi, the Mi may start to catch up later on, but I am unsure.

Its not as fast as I thought it would be TBH.

Having said that, the piston rings and valve seals are shot, and it is running a 1.9 box. When I finally get my new engine installed and 1.6 box, as well as 45's it should fly.

They are fun though Had a young lad in a 2.0i Mazda trying to get in my boot last night, so launched it off a roundabout and completely destroyed him He tried again, but I did the same