RS focus tried to race me
12 February 2002, 07:42 PM
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Ian if they are your priorities (like mine) sounds like you need a classic shape 280ps impreza STI RA, far more power than the FRS and it also does corners 
. Also looks the business .
[Edited by chrisp - 12/2/2002 7:43:49 PM]
. Also looks the business .[Edited by chrisp - 12/2/2002 7:43:49 PM]
12 March 2002, 04:45 PM
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Quote from this months Autocar which places the RS Focus amongst the top ten best new cars that can be bought.
" What Ford has produced is not just the finest handling front drive car of it era, but the finest of all time. On road or track, its blend of awesome grip and seamless power steering dwarf the likes of Honda's Civic type R, and make the Leon Cupra R look positively underdeveloped."
" Finally there is the £19995 question. Is there any car that can be driven everyday and in all conditions that provides more pure fun thanthis ? We certainly don't think so.
The RS is not being compared to a WRX anymore as it destroys one. The testament of the case is the fact that the RS is now being compared to cars costing 10k more and also giving them a good run for their money ".
Seems to me many people want to buy a badge and not a performance car.
I wonder just how well an Sti will cope with the RS if Mountunes 250 bhp warranty freindly conversion comes to fruition. Not very well as the STi is allready struggling with the standard RS package.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/3/2002 4:48:54 PM]
" What Ford has produced is not just the finest handling front drive car of it era, but the finest of all time. On road or track, its blend of awesome grip and seamless power steering dwarf the likes of Honda's Civic type R, and make the Leon Cupra R look positively underdeveloped."
" Finally there is the £19995 question. Is there any car that can be driven everyday and in all conditions that provides more pure fun thanthis ? We certainly don't think so.
The RS is not being compared to a WRX anymore as it destroys one. The testament of the case is the fact that the RS is now being compared to cars costing 10k more and also giving them a good run for their money ".
Seems to me many people want to buy a badge and not a performance car.
I wonder just how well an Sti will cope with the RS if Mountunes 250 bhp warranty freindly conversion comes to fruition. Not very well as the STi is allready struggling with the standard RS package.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/3/2002 4:48:54 PM]
12 March 2002, 08:05 PM
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Ian2wdsafcos - that would explain how evenly matched we were then, I did ask him what had been done to the car but I don't think he really understood what he had been told.
top looking motor though.
edited to add, does every pound of boost gives approx 8bhp ??
shunty
[Edited by shunty - 12/3/2002 8:06:39 PM]
top looking motor though.
edited to add, does every pound of boost gives approx 8bhp ??
shunty
[Edited by shunty - 12/3/2002 8:06:39 PM]
12 March 2002, 08:44 PM
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Good example my pretty much standard MY00 RA ran 260bhp on a rolling road (John Nobles, known to be fairly accurate and less than a lot of others) and had a peak on my defi gauge of 1.0kg/cm3 during the power run, on the road it runs 1.2kg/cm3 in 4th gear as I have the full record and play back facilities. I make that 20% more boost under road conditions. Now you tell me does than extra 0.2kg/cm3 gonna give me an extra 20bhp under road conditions.
Do you think manufacturers use rolling roads or do you think they may use engine dynos.
BTW 1.0bar is 0.98kg/cm3 IIRC
[Edited by chrisp - 12/3/2002 8:45:10 PM]
Do you think manufacturers use rolling roads or do you think they may use engine dynos
.BTW 1.0bar is 0.98kg/cm3 IIRC
[Edited by chrisp - 12/3/2002 8:45:10 PM]
12 April 2002, 12:58 PM
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we went again both from about 75mph.....again the scooby was, i must admit a rather good match for all of about 5 seconds
) Anyway, its a well accepted fact that all but the best modifed Impreza's are pretty useless over 100mph, mainly due to having the aerodynamic properties of a brick! On that basis I'm not surprised that you beat it.....in fact, I'd be worried that a P1 kept up for those 5 seconds with a stage 3 cossie If you want big acceleration from 80mph onwards then I'd stick with the SupraTT your name suggests you also have.I find scoobs are good for accelerating between 30-70 which is great for nice tight twisty roads which, conincidently suits the cars handling set up and 4WD platform......do you think Subaru knew this when they designed it
Happy motoring
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12 April 2002, 07:44 PM
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It's all politics. Ford didn't have the money to re-introduce the RS brand and the people in charge didn't seem to think the brand was that important.
Hence the Racing Puma came along - which was pretty much capable of wearing the RS badge if it wasn't for the fact the performance was a little disappointing for the HUGE premium. The 4WD Cosworth version was an Escort with a Puma shell. How could Ford seriously expect to start making a brand new car using an ancient chassis and engine?
For the record, if you had the money you could get Ford to modify your Escort for £20k or so (Some did).
Anyway now the decision has been made (at long last) for "RS" to return, it's bloody obvious that a Focus Cosworth will appear in the future. It's not really a case of if, but when. You can't make special 4500 Focus cars and then say "that's it" if you want to be taken seriously. Ford must have invested a LOT of money in the Focus RS and will not make that much profit, so it will be looked upon as an "investment" to keep the accountants happy.
By sharing platforms (like VAG), the Cosworth variant will be cheap to develop (in comparison). Take the shared Ford/Volvo/Jaguar AWD chassis, use a high power engine - most likely from Volvo - adapt the AWD system, customise the suspension and you've hopefully got a car capable of wearing the Cosworth badge.
Like VAG, you'll then see a similar high performance Volvo car and one from Jaguar - all offering similar performance but with different setups, trim levels and options.
The VW R32 is one good example of this idea in practice. BMW and Mercedes have also done this sort of thing for years - using their "off-the-shelf" performance engines to make all sorts of crazy machines.
Jonathan
PS. As for depreciation; Cosworths - Christ, even RS Turbos - still command good money. People pay good money for an Escort Cosworth despite the car being very old and probably hacked to bits by the previous owner/s.
The Mondeo ST220 can hardly be compared. Any car available through the fleet market will be hit extremely hard. Any bread and butter Ford "company car" loses value (yet remarkably, the ordinary Focus holds up quite well).
The plus side is that you can get an ST220 on import for a huge discount to begin with, or buy one ex-demo or in 6-12 months time for a whopping great discount. Buying a Mondeo new is lunacy and I doubt many people do it. Let the fleets buy them, add some motorway miles and then sell them to you and me for £4-5k less.
The ST220 is, by the way, an awesome car. It's not trying to compete with the Impreza but the performance is still impressive. It's refined and has loads of toys. It's huge inside, looks gorgeous when you see it in the flesh (you can even get it in the same colour as the Focus) and would be ideal for anyone with a family who can't consider a 3 door car.
If the Focus RS didn't exist, I'd have chosen this over a ST170.
[Edited by jonmorris - 12/4/2002 7:50:37 PM]
Hence the Racing Puma came along - which was pretty much capable of wearing the RS badge if it wasn't for the fact the performance was a little disappointing for the HUGE premium. The 4WD Cosworth version was an Escort with a Puma shell. How could Ford seriously expect to start making a brand new car using an ancient chassis and engine?
For the record, if you had the money you could get Ford to modify your Escort for £20k or so (Some did).
Anyway now the decision has been made (at long last) for "RS" to return, it's bloody obvious that a Focus Cosworth will appear in the future. It's not really a case of if, but when. You can't make special 4500 Focus cars and then say "that's it" if you want to be taken seriously. Ford must have invested a LOT of money in the Focus RS and will not make that much profit, so it will be looked upon as an "investment" to keep the accountants happy.
By sharing platforms (like VAG), the Cosworth variant will be cheap to develop (in comparison). Take the shared Ford/Volvo/Jaguar AWD chassis, use a high power engine - most likely from Volvo - adapt the AWD system, customise the suspension and you've hopefully got a car capable of wearing the Cosworth badge.
Like VAG, you'll then see a similar high performance Volvo car and one from Jaguar - all offering similar performance but with different setups, trim levels and options.
The VW R32 is one good example of this idea in practice. BMW and Mercedes have also done this sort of thing for years - using their "off-the-shelf" performance engines to make all sorts of crazy machines.
Jonathan
PS. As for depreciation; Cosworths - Christ, even RS Turbos - still command good money. People pay good money for an Escort Cosworth despite the car being very old and probably hacked to bits by the previous owner/s.
The Mondeo ST220 can hardly be compared. Any car available through the fleet market will be hit extremely hard. Any bread and butter Ford "company car" loses value (yet remarkably, the ordinary Focus holds up quite well).
The plus side is that you can get an ST220 on import for a huge discount to begin with, or buy one ex-demo or in 6-12 months time for a whopping great discount. Buying a Mondeo new is lunacy and I doubt many people do it. Let the fleets buy them, add some motorway miles and then sell them to you and me for £4-5k less.
The ST220 is, by the way, an awesome car. It's not trying to compete with the Impreza but the performance is still impressive. It's refined and has loads of toys. It's huge inside, looks gorgeous when you see it in the flesh (you can even get it in the same colour as the Focus) and would be ideal for anyone with a family who can't consider a 3 door car.
If the Focus RS didn't exist, I'd have chosen this over a ST170.
[Edited by jonmorris - 12/4/2002 7:50:37 PM]
12 April 2002, 08:31 PM
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LOL Scooby Nutta exactly what have your rantings and hankerings goto do with the fact that Ford has produced an excellent performance car the best on the market in the 20k price bracket. It is not the best all rounder that is for sure but as a performance vehicle its unbeatable at the price.
Seems to me that there is to much badge snobbery amongst the scoob brigade
I think its the Scoob engine that is suspect not the cosworth one don't you scoob nutta, 280 bhp sir that means you need a rebuild sir or you will do in a weeks time. Don't you dare drive it fast sir or it will blow up and your warranty will be void.
Lol at chrisp you try and buy a decent one for that. A decent 95 scoob can be had for less than 5k. I can buy a brand new WRX at trade sales in slough for 16k cash mate I would imagine that will drop to 14k in 2 months time too.
Who cares whats any of this goto do with the fact that the RS Focus is a fantastic car for the money.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/4/2002 8:36:57 PM]
Seems to me that there is to much badge snobbery amongst the scoob brigade
I think its the Scoob engine that is suspect not the cosworth one don't you scoob nutta, 280 bhp sir that means you need a rebuild sir or you will do in a weeks time. Don't you dare drive it fast sir or it will blow up and your warranty will be void.
Lol at chrisp you try and buy a decent one for that. A decent 95 scoob can be had for less than 5k. I can buy a brand new WRX at trade sales in slough for 16k cash mate I would imagine that will drop to 14k in 2 months time too.
Who cares whats any of this goto do with the fact that the RS Focus is a fantastic car for the money.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/4/2002 8:36:57 PM]
12 April 2002, 10:20 PM
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Where do these idiots get their figures from?
I bought one of the last p1s 16 months ago,now has 14t miles. I would guess that on current prices my 16 month old car would be worth 21-22k tade in, possibly more for another impreza. I bought the car for 29k so lets say thats a loss of 8k, thats to be expected for cars like these in the first year, in fact % is doesnt do any worse than any other car. The fist year is a killer for most cars, look at the cosworth sapphires, in their time they were 27k brand new, but were heavily discounted to clear, and the worth what now, 5 grand?
Ill also wager that in 3-4 years to come ill be able to sell my car for 16-17k.
I also asked u cossie man, when are you gong to buy an RS, i see u havent repied.
And for 20k you could buy an impreza wrx brand new, think id rather have that thankyou very much. Put your money where your mouth is or bugger off.
[Edited by scoobynutta555 - 12/4/2002 10:25:59 PM]
I bought one of the last p1s 16 months ago,now has 14t miles. I would guess that on current prices my 16 month old car would be worth 21-22k tade in, possibly more for another impreza. I bought the car for 29k so lets say thats a loss of 8k, thats to be expected for cars like these in the first year, in fact % is doesnt do any worse than any other car. The fist year is a killer for most cars, look at the cosworth sapphires, in their time they were 27k brand new, but were heavily discounted to clear, and the worth what now, 5 grand?
Ill also wager that in 3-4 years to come ill be able to sell my car for 16-17k.
I also asked u cossie man, when are you gong to buy an RS, i see u havent repied.
And for 20k you could buy an impreza wrx brand new, think id rather have that thankyou very much. Put your money where your mouth is or bugger off.
[Edited by scoobynutta555 - 12/4/2002 10:25:59 PM]
12 May 2002, 01:17 PM
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Thing is with a P1 or any scoob its all over at a measly 300bhp you know its going to go bang due to the various well documented design faults with the flat four and thats where the cosworth action just begins.
Scoobynutta do you have any grasp of economics ? Subaru as a brand are on a downward spiral their recent cars have been a disaster, dealers are deserting and they produce cars with seriously floored engines. Why can I buy a 21k scoob WRX for 16k supply and demand mate NOBODY WANTS ONE. Do you actually think that when the new model appears in 2003 that the 2nd hand values are going to go back up. LOL the price of your P1 will drop even further and further. 15k tops for it in march next year and you wont find it easy to sell either. Who wants a car that they know that the engines going to blow up at approx 30k miles.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/5/2002 1:27:19 PM]
Scoobynutta do you have any grasp of economics ? Subaru as a brand are on a downward spiral their recent cars have been a disaster, dealers are deserting and they produce cars with seriously floored engines. Why can I buy a 21k scoob WRX for 16k supply and demand mate NOBODY WANTS ONE. Do you actually think that when the new model appears in 2003 that the 2nd hand values are going to go back up. LOL the price of your P1 will drop even further and further. 15k tops for it in march next year and you wont find it easy to sell either. Who wants a car that they know that the engines going to blow up at approx 30k miles.
[Edited by co55ie - 12/5/2002 1:27:19 PM]
12 May 2002, 06:46 PM
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I have got a 250 bhp 200sx a fiat bravo hgt and not long sold my cossie 300 bhp( only had it 6 months thing kept going t$ts up around the engine area), who cares, obviuosly you lot, but why I dont yet have a scoob but that is something shortly to be rectified, because where else can I buy a 280 bhp car in mint condition for 8k that I will enjoy driving and will put a smile back on my face after a hard days work, only subaru can give me that
Nick200 how do you know the Scoob won't go t*ts up round the engine area...had a surefire guarantee that it wont - eh?
IIRC there have been quite a few posts recently of Scoob engines doing that - so how come yours will be immune? I am sure people will be very interested to know
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12 June 2002, 01:10 PM
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cheers m8 i'll give you a shout when i'm going up.....don't bother me if i get beat....just encourages me to start modding it
banzai on http://www.carsurfer.co.uk/forum/ comes from the newbury area...he's got a black type r.....we'll have to meet up for a convoy up to santa pod
[Edited by rich uk300 - 12/6/2002 1:13:19 PM]
banzai on http://www.carsurfer.co.uk/forum/ comes from the newbury area...he's got a black type r.....we'll have to meet up for a convoy up to santa pod
[Edited by rich uk300 - 12/6/2002 1:13:19 PM]
12 June 2002, 08:11 PM
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I can offer an informed opinion if you like as i've been in both an RS (Evo mag fleet) and a few tuned Imprezas (Docjocks,Theos) and the RS was simply uninspiring compared to those cars.But it was fast and driven by that racing driver they had there on the day in would be able to catch the tails of an Impreza unless driven by an equal driver.The diff just meant the car could be flung around and all you had to do was hold the wheel and keep your foot down.He had to do no adjusting through the corners at all.
Ask me if i preferred to drive with Docjock on shyte P6000s and watch him messing with the balance and thoroughly enjoying himself or sit bored in the RS.
easy decision.
The RS simply goes fast,and er,thats it.
the diff would make my grandma look good,and shes 96.
[Edited by dba - 12/6/2002 8:19:02 PM]
Ask me if i preferred to drive with Docjock on shyte P6000s and watch him messing with the balance and thoroughly enjoying himself or sit bored in the RS.
easy decision.
The RS simply goes fast,and er,thats it.
the diff would make my grandma look good,and shes 96.
[Edited by dba - 12/6/2002 8:19:02 PM]
12 September 2002, 02:55 PM
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2wd Vs 4wd, both high power, 4wd wins any day.
I used to drive a powerful 2wd (XR2i), so I know.
There is no point discussing it - you cannot win a battle that you have lost. The Focus RS will be a flop. At best it will become the shopping trolley of choice (which is what the standard focus is anyway).
[Edited by Ski Ned - 12/9/2002 2:57:06 PM]
I used to drive a powerful 2wd (XR2i), so I know.
There is no point discussing it - you cannot win a battle that you have lost. The Focus RS will be a flop. At best it will become the shopping trolley of choice (which is what the standard focus is anyway).
[Edited by Ski Ned - 12/9/2002 2:57:06 PM]
12 September 2002, 04:56 PM
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powerful xr2i? hmmm a bit of delusion creeping in. they arent powerful, ive had two, a 1.6 and a 1.8, nippy they are, but powerful they aint
[Edited by scoobynutta555 - 12/9/2002 4:57:40 PM]
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12 September 2002, 11:06 PM
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p1 276 bhp 0 to 60 4.9 secs top speed 150 the stats speak the truth sorry ford nice try but no cigar lol
[Edited by rich uk300 - 12/9/2002 11:07:30 PM]
30 November 2002, 01:58 PM
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i was just cruisin on way home then noticed it on middle lane, as i went past him he pulled out and sat right up my rear, this is the first time i'd seen one on the road and thought,
ah ha, perfect oppotunity to see just how good these really are.
so i notched it down to 4th and put my foot down, i pulled away so easily, i thought 'oh he didnt go for it' so i backed off but noticed he was trundling past everything else quickly and started gaining, so i hit the throttle again and just pulled away!!!! it was like he was standing still!!!
i am running 215bhp 'according to recent r/r results with 250lb torque', non wr with HKS super dragger system and d/p, so it should have been an even match shouldnt it???
dam glad i never got one!!!
so it looks like they are an easy walk overand nothing to worry about
ah ha, perfect oppotunity to see just how good these really are.
so i notched it down to 4th and put my foot down, i pulled away so easily, i thought 'oh he didnt go for it' so i backed off but noticed he was trundling past everything else quickly and started gaining, so i hit the throttle again and just pulled away!!!! it was like he was standing still!!!
i am running 215bhp 'according to recent r/r results with 250lb torque', non wr with HKS super dragger system and d/p, so it should have been an even match shouldnt it???
dam glad i never got one!!!
so it looks like they are an easy walk overand nothing to worry about
30 November 2002, 02:12 PM
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Could it be he was running in ? How many people have said "I raced one of those Impreza's the other day in my Sierra Ghia and I left him for dead, it was a brand new one as well". 
Then again Fords don't have a running in procedure as strict as Subaru, so maybe the engine was tight. Lets hope not though....Blutes
Then again Fords don't have a running in procedure as strict as Subaru, so maybe the engine was tight. Lets hope not though.
...Blutes
30 November 2002, 02:48 PM
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bet if you asked him he would deny he was trying??glad you beat him ...the first of many beatings i am sure ,lets hope the next owner tries harder?....scooby one,focus nil.
30 November 2002, 03:19 PM
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O TO 60 DEFINETLY BUT WHEN ITS ON THE MOVE IN STRAIGHT LINE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE FEW UPSETS COS THEY HAVEN'T GOT ALL THAT RUNNING GEAR THAT US SCOOBYS HAVE HENCE GRIP NOT REQUIRED.STANDING STARTS AND WET CORNERING NO PROBS FOR THE SCOOBY.
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If you watch Driven on dec 8th you can see it up against a wrx, i was there that day so was most of the RS owners club who think its wonderful , the way some of them were talking about it made me nearly throw up if they had a chance thay would proberly w##k theirselves silly over it.
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It wouldn't have been that easy to blow of an RS Focus. Either it was brand new, or he wasn't trying or maybe it was a lookalike and actually was just a 2.0.
30 November 2002, 03:34 PM
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its the first RS for a while so i am not suprised they were happy bunnies, hope this does not turn into another RS vs Scooby slagging match, it has been done to death soooooo many times before
[Edited by Paul Habgood - 11/30/2002 3:35:16 PM]
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