Fast or sideways?
26 September 2001, 02:10 PM
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Hehe, if you was a really fast driver, you'd do the sideways bit for fun! 
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26 September 2001, 04:08 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul Habgood:
<B>Fast & Sideways - Hmmm, I believe Jason Plato managed both whilst testing the new M3 on Driven last night.
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Some people CANNOT read! Hanging the tail out at 40 degrees is NOT fast I can assure you!
<B>Fast & Sideways - Hmmm, I believe Jason Plato managed both whilst testing the new M3 on Driven last night.
Paul[/quote]
Some people CANNOT read!
Hanging the tail out at 40 degrees is NOT fast I can assure you!
26 September 2001, 05:40 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Neil Micklethwaite:
<B>In certain areas - Sideways is faster - See pendulum action for rallying.[/quote]
But going MORE sideways would be slower, right? So do you go for the "fastest" route (part sideways) or the spectacular extreme sideways route holding the maximum possible drift angle?
P.S. Is it really faster? Or just more controllable? I'd bet that the perfect line through a corner on a rally stage is much less sideways than most drivers would take it.
[This message has been edited by matt d (edited 26 September 2001).]
<B>In certain areas - Sideways is faster - See pendulum action for rallying.[/quote]
But going MORE sideways would be slower, right? So do you go for the "fastest" route (part sideways) or the spectacular extreme sideways route holding the maximum possible drift angle?
P.S. Is it really faster? Or just more controllable? I'd bet that the perfect line through a corner on a rally stage is much less sideways than most drivers would take it.
[This message has been edited by matt d (edited 26 September 2001).]
26 September 2001, 06:38 PM
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Sideways does not necessarily mean slow.
On a pool table smooth surface and a properly set-up car, big sideways action is generally slower, but certain situations mean that being sideways is a benefit.
On a rally stage, the surface is changing, the direction changes are much more sudden and tight, compared to the flowing wide lines of a race track, so the agility of the car is more important than the out and out cornering speed.
On gravel, there are HUGE benefits to being sideways, as you present four tyres to the loose surface rather than just two, but also it enables you to get on the gas earlier, and power in your chosen direction.
In racing, sideways is generally bad as the cars are set-up to be most efficient at small slip angles, but that does not mean that a road car would be the same (likely it would be though!).
If a car has chronic understeer characteristics, is it likely that being sideways will create an increase in cornering speed.
It's not as simple as the "sideways is slow" term that many people use.
Cheers
Simon
Sideways does not necessarily mean slow.
On a pool table smooth surface and a properly set-up car, big sideways action is generally slower, but certain situations mean that being sideways is a benefit.
On a rally stage, the surface is changing, the direction changes are much more sudden and tight, compared to the flowing wide lines of a race track, so the agility of the car is more important than the out and out cornering speed.
On gravel, there are HUGE benefits to being sideways, as you present four tyres to the loose surface rather than just two, but also it enables you to get on the gas earlier, and power in your chosen direction.
In racing, sideways is generally bad as the cars are set-up to be most efficient at small slip angles, but that does not mean that a road car would be the same (likely it would be though!).
If a car has chronic understeer characteristics, is it likely that being sideways will create an increase in cornering speed.
It's not as simple as the "sideways is slow" term that many people use.
Cheers
Simon
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