Brendan Hughes

Perhaps a sick subject, sorry, but am genuinely interested.

After seeing Pathfinder's pics (), and ?P20SPD's, you would get the impression that people can walk/limp away from anything.

Yet I remember going on Dick Grimes' course and seeing a newspaper clipping of what was left of an STI Type R (IIRC), where the passenger had died, after a lift-off oversteer incident.

Granted, the question doesn't have a comparison - taking into account over-enthusiastic drivers, driver miles per year, how many killed in BMWs/Novas etc, but I'd still be curious.

Can these stats be found?

BaldyMan

I'd have thought there would be a survey somwhere - maybe the dvla - don't quote me on that

At the end of the day its the luck of the draw mate....enough said

GaryK

Brendan,

Yep he showed me that too, the seat was about 7" wide after the crash, what you may not remember is that the passenger was actually the car owner, he had let his mate take the car out, very sad.

Gary

Brendan Hughes

Can't find by make of car. Closest so far from the National Statistics Office simply makes me want to stick to the car rather than moving to a motorbike, as I am 40 times less likely to snuff it:

1999 Passenger death rates: by mode of transport
Rate per billion passenger kilometres

Motorcycle 112
Walk 49
Pedal cycle 41
Car 2.8
Van 1.0

Group Captain Smudger

The Department for Transport produce Transport Statistics: Great Britain. None of the tables in the publication show the make or model of car involved in traffic accidents but that doesn't mean to say that the data is not collected. Your best bet is accessing
their website (not National Statistics)but the probability is you'd have to ring or e-mail them with your query for a definite answer.

EVOLUTION

I have replyed to the "IVE KILLED MY SCOOBIE" post,with details of my inccident, and whilst i was ok, i have serious conserns for the sice impact protection. (on the classic models). I came off the road AT 60, hit a wall first then the tree, so i must have been doing under 60 at this point. The side pillar of the car came into the cabin 21 INCHES.

Has any body else had similar findings, if so, i think this is sometihng that scooby owners should be aware of.

MarkO

Don't be daft. As Dave-TS replied to your other post, no car could withstand a side-impact with a tree at ~50mph (assuming you'd slowed down a little before the impact).

EVOLUTION

what about the air bags then?

Josh L

I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that side airbags (in fact all airbags) are there to simply to reduce injury to the occupants. They aren't an indication of a car's resilience angainst side impact.

Any car is going to be vunerable to side impact from a narrow object (tree, telegraph pole etc). There have even been several incidents in the WRC recently where side impacts have resulted in driver injury or broken roll cages (Colic McCrash's being the most obvious).

I've not seen or heard anything on this BBS over the last 4 years to suggest an Impreza is any better or worse than any other car in this regard, and unless anyone has statistics to the contrary, I think it's wrong to suggest otherwise.

Josh

carl

Even the statistics would be irrelevant without knowledge of how many of each car type are on the road. For example, I'm willing to bet there are more crashes involving Ford Escorts than there are involving Scoobs, simply because there are more Ford Escorts on the road.

MarkO

Side airbags are there to reduce injuries from passengers smacking their heads against the side of the car. They won't prevent an intrusion of a static object into the cockpit area, particularly at high speed.

Frankly, having seen a few pictures of what various people have done in/to their Scoobs in the last 6-7 years, I'd say that the Impreza is a pretty safe motor. There have been some majorly spectacular crashes during my ownership period, and most people appear to have walked away with minor or cosmetic injuries.

I don't remember more than 2 or 3 fatalities, despite most major 'offs' being publicised on SN, IWOC and in the SIDC forums, and those I do remember would have happened even if the occupants had attempted the 'stunt' in a chieftan tank.

EVOLUTION

in all cases i have mentioned, i have pionted out, IN MY OPPINION. Now im not saying im 100% right here, i am pointing out my circumstances, this may be a lone case, i am merely expressing a concern, thats all, not looking for a fight!

Dave T-S

Edited cos I was going to ask Mark if he had seen the other thread, when obviously he has

[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/23/2002 3:48:23 PM]

Barnaby

I tried to get some statistics like this from the Dept of Transport a while back.

What I wanted was statistics broken down by car brand/model, but it wasn't available (not easily anyway!).

The question I wanted answered was do performance cars have a better or worse than average safety record?

EVOLUTION

The problem with the testing is that all cars have the same tests, no matter what before they are allowed into production. I would say in most case that performance cars are generally (not always) going faster that your average family car. That is after all the reason why many people buy these cars. (it was for myself) Therefore they are not realy comparible to many other average cars.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I still remember the dealer who sold me my car, talking about insurance for one. He said that the cars handled so well, that anyone having an "off" was likely to have a big one, as he'd be travelling pretty fast in the first place. :
Alcazar

EvilBevel

Although the evidence is circumstantial, I would very much tend to agree with that observation Mark.

Kitkatpaper panels or not... they seem to be pretty solid cars chassis-wise, but of course can't defy the laws of physics.

bluto22b

Its okay saying that the Impreza is invincible and therefore driving the car beyond its limits in the hope that the car is "tough" but its the minority of suicide jockeys in high performance cars who are causing insurance premiums to skyrocket faster than Osama Bin Laden covers his tracks. Insurance on Scoobys is now ridiculous, due to reckless fools who crash them through sheer recklessness[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]....Bluto

EVOLUTION

That last statement may be true to some extent. Crashes do put premiums up, but do you know 32% of ALL premiums are to account for personal injury claims. 84% of those claims are for WHIPLASH, the only one they cant actualy prove you have or dont have. Another chunk of the premium is there to cover the scumbags who drive with no insurance including thieves.
As to the young tearaways who crash thier cars, well, not all of them crash, and they pay for this in thier own policies. So before all kinds of blame is thrown at young drivers, dont, it has everything to do with experience behind the wheel, and just because your older, that does not mean you have more experience, look at the average age of F1 drivers, they to are young, but they are pretty good drivers.


ALL figures quoted come from an insurance claims investigator!
Draw your own conclusion from that!