What is the best technique to corner a scooby? How do u do it.
13 August 2002, 04:57 PM
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As it says really, getting a little use to my scoob now after 4 months and want to start pushing the handling, safely.
What is the best cornering technique. After 3 years in a rwd cossie and 354lbft i am still slow in and fast out.
Also what will the car feel like ?, i have not felt any diffs etc working for me yet.
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Rottie
What is the best cornering technique. After 3 years in a rwd cossie and 354lbft i am still slow in and fast out.
Also what will the car feel like ?, i have not felt any diffs etc working for me yet.
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Rottie
13 August 2002, 05:08 PM
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Just throw it in and see what happens 
Seems to me (and I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination) but they like to corner under power rather than braking into corners, so I've been getting my braking out of the way early then booting it through the corners (i.e. pretty much slow in fast out but earlier on the gas), feels good, but it might not be the best technique. It has the plus side that if someone is a better driver in a slower car behind you, you slow them down into the corner then leave them behind out of it.
Seems to me (and I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination) but they like to corner under power rather than braking into corners, so I've been getting my braking out of the way early then booting it through the corners (i.e. pretty much slow in fast out but earlier on the gas), feels good, but it might not be the best technique. It has the plus side that if someone is a better driver in a slower car behind you, you slow them down into the corner then leave them behind out of it.
13 August 2002, 05:09 PM
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Still learning as well but the people that say that UK turbos can't get tail happy are lying. If you mildly provoke them the front end will plough on forever. If you mash the throttle and don't back off the diffs will chuck power to the rear and you can get some lovely and very controlable powerslides in the wet. I've even had the back-end drifting a little in the dry under power.
This is fun handling but not the best or fastest, I've still to figure that bit out. Turbo lag keeps catching me out at the moment so I'm aiming for mods to give a faster spool up
This is fun handling but not the best or fastest, I've still to figure that bit out. Turbo lag keeps catching me out at the moment so I'm aiming for mods to give a faster spool up
13 August 2002, 05:13 PM
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Simon de Banke will give you a technical answer
I'm also slow in, fast out as AWD can bite if you lift off under power, mid-corner. Depending on you/your car that can be played with but better be cautious to start with.
Make sure that you do your geometry settings - Prodrive settings as found on SIDC FAQ are best & almost completely remove the u/steer that is built in @ manufacture.
[Edited by Puff The Magic Wagon! - 8/13/2002 5:15:14 PM]
I'm also slow in, fast out as AWD can bite if you lift off under power, mid-corner. Depending on you/your car that can be played with but better be cautious to start with.
Make sure that you do your geometry settings - Prodrive settings as found on SIDC FAQ are best & almost completely remove the u/steer that is built in @ manufacture.
[Edited by Puff The Magic Wagon! - 8/13/2002 5:15:14 PM]
13 August 2002, 05:14 PM
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Sideways is the best technique
slow turn in keeping the revs at the bottom of the turbo range 3k ish I suppose, get all the weight transfer done on the turn in, make sure you're smooth round the bend, look for the exist, wind on the power and go...........
slow turn in keeping the revs at the bottom of the turbo range 3k ish I suppose, get all the weight transfer done on the turn in, make sure you're smooth round the bend, look for the exist, wind on the power and go...........
13 August 2002, 05:16 PM
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I very nearly got caught out in the wet:
understeered into the corner on a neutral throttle, stepped off the gas as the nose ran straight on, tail came round, steered into the slide, gave it some gas and it continued straight on and refused to grip, gave it more gas, no grip, gave it less gas, no grip, eventually I just depressed the clutch and it sorted itself out immediately. Luckily there was nothing coming the other way as a used a very wide section of road to get it under control again.
understeered into the corner on a neutral throttle, stepped off the gas as the nose ran straight on, tail came round, steered into the slide, gave it some gas and it continued straight on and refused to grip, gave it more gas, no grip, gave it less gas, no grip, eventually I just depressed the clutch and it sorted itself out immediately. Luckily there was nothing coming the other way as a used a very wide section of road to get it under control again.
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I've been getting my braking out of the way early then booting it through the corners (i.e. pretty much slow in fast out but earlier on the gas), feels good, but it might not be the best technique.
It has the plus side that if someone is a better driver in a slower car behind you, you slow them down into the corner then leave them behind out of it.
13 August 2002, 05:27 PM
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understeered into the corner on a neutral throttle, stepped off the gas as the nose ran straight on, tail came round, steered into the slide, gave it some gas and it continued straight on and refused to grip, gave it more gas, no grip, gave it less gas, no grip, eventually I just depressed the clutch and it sorted itself out immediately. Luckily there was nothing coming the other way as a used a very wide section of road to get it under control again.
13 August 2002, 05:41 PM
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understeered into the corner on a neutral throttle, stepped off the gas as the nose ran straight on, tail came round, steered into the slide, gave it some gas and it continued straight on and refused to grip, gave it more gas, no grip, gave it less gas, no grip, eventually I just depressed the clutch and it sorted itself out immediately. Luckily there was nothing coming the other way as a used a very wide section of road to get it under control again.
luckily only I got hurt and the two cars involved were written off obviously.
I was used to rear wheel drive and although it was mid-engined it came back in by lifting off the throttle just a tad easier than the Impreza..
Also I think because of the amount of grip you get with the Scooby you are going that much faster then most other cars by the time you start getting slides and then your reactions need to be a lot faster..
I stick to the slow in fast out rule a lot more now.. it is easy to speed up mid-bend but hard to slow down mid-bend.
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13 August 2002, 06:12 PM
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Yup im also slow in and fast out, find that you can put down the power you can feel how the car handles better rather than having to brake in the corner and let the tail slide out 
Anyway thats the slow way to do it so i just take the corner and flow though it
Tony
Anyway thats the slow way to do it
so i just take the corner and flow though it Tony
13 August 2002, 07:08 PM
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Claudius, I've got Pirelli P7000's on the front with about 0.5mm of tread and Bridgestone S01's on the rear with about 1mm of tread. Good in the dry, but a bit twitchy in the wet for some reason 
The car is now off road until I can afford to put a decent set of tyres on it.
The car is now off road until I can afford to put a decent set of tyres on it.
13 August 2002, 10:12 PM
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The way I do it is (practice !) line up onto the racing line and make sure right gear is selected for exit, with most 'road racers' (not necessarily scooby drivers !) this is usually 1 gear HIGHER than you would normally select, as it carrys more momentum into the corner. Then if you are used to left foot braking, brake fairly hard but in a straight line if poss to keep the car balanced,(if not heel and toe brake)to keep the turbo lag to a minimum, and yes it does eat pads.
for tight turns ie near 90 degrees you may need to lighten one side of the car by feeding in a very small and very very quick amount of opposite steering,imediatly followed by steering in the direction of the corner, this will create a
'pendulum effect' allowing the car to drift slightly, but not recommended unless you have a private road etc, and ahem...not on public highways. If you do do this on a track with er...Kerbs..be careful of the tail end moving a little as kerbs like alloy wheels.
You should then be able to carry momentum and keep the boost reasonably high straight into the corner and be able to accelarate out of a slide (4wd) although too much power and you will be power sliding so much the rear might catch up with the front !
Also be aware of 'float' when all four wheels spin, it will sometimes feel a bit like aquaplanning.
On really tight turns try not to turn in too fast and use the throttle to control the amount of 'dig in'or caster from the front.
Usuall disclaimers etc..This is only what I do on private tracks and not what anyone else should follow.
for tight turns ie near 90 degrees you may need to lighten one side of the car by feeding in a very small and very very quick amount of opposite steering,imediatly followed by steering in the direction of the corner, this will create a
'pendulum effect' allowing the car to drift slightly, but not recommended unless you have a private road etc, and ahem...not on public highways. If you do do this on a track with er...Kerbs..be careful of the tail end moving a little as kerbs like alloy wheels.
You should then be able to carry momentum and keep the boost reasonably high straight into the corner and be able to accelarate out of a slide (4wd) although too much power and you will be power sliding so much the rear might catch up with the front !
Also be aware of 'float' when all four wheels spin, it will sometimes feel a bit like aquaplanning.
On really tight turns try not to turn in too fast and use the throttle to control the amount of 'dig in'or caster from the front.
Usuall disclaimers etc..This is only what I do on private tracks and not what anyone else should follow.
13 August 2002, 10:25 PM
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drivingtechniques.co.uk/
Lots of interesting stuff in there a lot of it by SDB
Do not look at driving-techniques.co.uk
that will do you no good at all
[Edited by Andy W - 8/13/2002 10:26:51 PM]
Lots of interesting stuff in there a lot of it by SDB
Do not look at driving-techniques.co.uk
that will do you no good at all
[Edited by Andy W - 8/13/2002 10:26:51 PM]
13 August 2002, 11:04 PM
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if in doubt, flat out...
but seriously, depends on whether you want to look cool, or go fast. Fast is generally tight, smooth, slower in to get better traction and higher exit speeds. Too much rocking about because you are using the controls like on/off switches will unsettle the car and lose you grip.
Brake hard, straight, ease off brake most of the way as you turn in, modulate to control yaw and further reduce speed (trail braking) at the same time you are feathering in the throttle, so that there is no sudden change in drive/braking part way throught the corner.
If it's a long corner there will certainly be a portion which you will want hold speed on, not coasting though, not speeding up. As you feel you are past the apex (or approaching the exit on a long bend) you can start to apply throttle, almost probing for grip until you can smoothly nail the throttle and you are out.
You may find that setting up a slight drift works for you, and on road tyres and hard slicks it's probably the way to go. On sticky rubber, you will really unsettle the car if you try and throw it in to the corner, and it will bite you unless you have rollerskate like suspension.
but seriously, depends on whether you want to look cool, or go fast. Fast is generally tight, smooth, slower in to get better traction and higher exit speeds. Too much rocking about because you are using the controls like on/off switches will unsettle the car and lose you grip.
Brake hard, straight, ease off brake most of the way as you turn in, modulate to control yaw and further reduce speed (trail braking) at the same time you are feathering in the throttle, so that there is no sudden change in drive/braking part way throught the corner.
If it's a long corner there will certainly be a portion which you will want hold speed on, not coasting though, not speeding up. As you feel you are past the apex (or approaching the exit on a long bend) you can start to apply throttle, almost probing for grip until you can smoothly nail the throttle and you are out.
You may find that setting up a slight drift works for you, and on road tyres and hard slicks it's probably the way to go. On sticky rubber, you will really unsettle the car if you try and throw it in to the corner, and it will bite you unless you have rollerskate like suspension.