(Probably) Another Cyprus Car question
27 July 2002, 10:35 PM
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Apologies if this has been done before, but....
Am I right in thinking that a Cyprus STI7 is the same as a 'normal' EU sourced STI7 and that the only issue is warranty/maintenance as Cyprus is outside the EU.
What I'm getting at is - is the car technically identical - I'm thinking mainly the suspension set up - heard that the JDM STI7 suspension isn't 'tuned' to our roads.
If the above is true then there's probably no difference in sourcing a Cyprus car as opposed to say something from Litchfield or similar companies and getting them serviced at a specialist?
Thoughts appreciated, especially from anyone who has a Cyprus car.
Ian
Am I right in thinking that a Cyprus STI7 is the same as a 'normal' EU sourced STI7 and that the only issue is warranty/maintenance as Cyprus is outside the EU.
What I'm getting at is - is the car technically identical - I'm thinking mainly the suspension set up - heard that the JDM STI7 suspension isn't 'tuned' to our roads.
If the above is true then there's probably no difference in sourcing a Cyprus car as opposed to say something from Litchfield or similar companies and getting them serviced at a specialist?
Thoughts appreciated, especially from anyone who has a Cyprus car.
Ian
27 July 2002, 11:32 PM
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I have a standard wrx that came from cyprus as and far as i know only differance is that it didn't come with an alarm as standard-doubt this helps but hey i tried
27 July 2002, 11:36 PM
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Ian,
the question i would ask is "has it got a certificate of
conformity?" If it hasn't you may have to put it thru an SVA
test. should say here "i stand to be corrected" !!
alan
the question i would ask is "has it got a certificate of
conformity?" If it hasn't you may have to put it thru an SVA
test. should say here "i stand to be corrected" !!
alan
28 July 2002, 01:23 AM
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Cypriot cars dont have to conform to EU standards so IMHO i would give them a bit of a miss (3 years service in Cyprus shows here 
) even if they do conform some people have said that they only have 1 cat, thus not really conforming to EU standards and the probability of being shunned by Subaru UK is more likely.
I would say that paying 1-2k more would be more advisable than having to loose alot of money on your car due to importation from a non EU contry....
Tony
) even if they do conform some people have said that they only have 1 cat, thus not really conforming to EU standards and the probability of being shunned by Subaru UK is more likely.I would say that paying 1-2k more would be more advisable than having to loose alot of money on your car due to importation from a non EU contry....
Tony
28 July 2002, 01:24 AM
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Ian,
I have a Cyprus STI7 which I bought whilst out there and shipped back when I left. You can buy UK spec cars from Subaru Cyprus (including the UK STI7 now I believe) which should have no problem being brought into the UK. Agreed, you must make sure that the dealer supplies a Certificate of Conformity (as proof). However, if you want to get the supremely superior (I'm completely biased of course) Jap spec STI7 then you will have to put it through the Vehicle Inspectorate's ESVA before you can register it over here. (Madness really - you'd think that once one Jap spec STI7 had passed all the safety/emissions tests - with honours I might add - they would accept that ALL further Jap Spec STI7's will be exactly the same!)
The ESVA could cost you over £1500 if you don't rent an example test certificate from a UK Importer. Rip off merchants will charge you anything in the region of £500 just to borrow their certificate for the day! Its a good opportunity for them to earn back their own test fees and make a tidy profit at the same time.
As far as technical spec goes, the Jap STI7 is much better set up for British roads than the various UK versions. Strut brace, front LSD, more power, etc.
Hope this is of some help,
KWS
By the way - I'm being forced (reluctantly) to sell mine already. If you're interested give me a shout.
I have a Cyprus STI7 which I bought whilst out there and shipped back when I left. You can buy UK spec cars from Subaru Cyprus (including the UK STI7 now I believe) which should have no problem being brought into the UK. Agreed, you must make sure that the dealer supplies a Certificate of Conformity (as proof). However, if you want to get the supremely superior (I'm completely biased of course) Jap spec STI7 then you will have to put it through the Vehicle Inspectorate's ESVA before you can register it over here. (Madness really - you'd think that once one Jap spec STI7 had passed all the safety/emissions tests - with honours I might add - they would accept that ALL further Jap Spec STI7's will be exactly the same!)
The ESVA could cost you over £1500 if you don't rent an example test certificate from a UK Importer. Rip off merchants will charge you anything in the region of £500 just to borrow their certificate for the day! Its a good opportunity for them to earn back their own test fees and make a tidy profit at the same time.
As far as technical spec goes, the Jap STI7 is much better set up for British roads than the various UK versions. Strut brace, front LSD, more power, etc.
Hope this is of some help,
KWS
By the way - I'm being forced (reluctantly) to sell mine already. If you're interested give me a shout.
28 July 2002, 02:56 AM
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I imported a Type R 18mnths ago, dealer supplied ready for SVA, Iwent for test and failed, the dealer had put tinted windows in with the deal, Cypriot tints are ( I think 5% to dark for british conformity) pulled tints out and sailed through test.
I then paid £65 for it to be undersealed and it was exactly the same spec as I could have bought from an import spesh in the UK.
Dealer even paid for some wrk that I had to have done 5mnths later which I was pleased about.
Trust me TonyB you dont just save 1-2K, I saved enough to have tracker, top ICE install, 18's and a new set of handmade bike leathers.
If you need a name of a reasonable dealer e-mail me, I bought 2 from him and ones had sevral bits of warranty stuff done on it.
P.S. My brother lived out there bought his back and coz he was in the forces a dealer said he had no problems with servicing it. after all a subaru is a subaru is a subaru
I then paid £65 for it to be undersealed and it was exactly the same spec as I could have bought from an import spesh in the UK.
Dealer even paid for some wrk that I had to have done 5mnths later which I was pleased about.
Trust me TonyB you dont just save 1-2K, I saved enough to have tracker, top ICE install, 18's and a new set of handmade bike leathers.
If you need a name of a reasonable dealer e-mail me, I bought 2 from him and ones had sevral bits of warranty stuff done on it.
P.S. My brother lived out there bought his back and coz he was in the forces a dealer said he had no problems with servicing it. after all a subaru is a subaru is a subaru
28 July 2002, 11:39 AM
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Actually a subaru isnt always a subaru to a uk dealer....
Many people who purchased cars in cyprus when i was out there needed modifications to them when they arrived back in the uk, glass was one of the big faults as its thinner and doesnt meet the required standard on some cars...
Also i would suggest you look into seeing how long your non-EU warranty is (1yr) as thats all your going to be covered for as car was sourced from a non-EU country...
If IM have accepted the car though, then you will be able to use the uk dealer network, your down side will be the problems your going to get if you need any sort of warranty work doing
Even if the car has the 1yr warranty, all claims will have still to go back to subaru cyprus, if they dont want to pay up then your going to be stuck with big bills.... and 1500miles is a long way to go to sort out warranty problems....
Tony
Many people who purchased cars in cyprus when i was out there needed modifications to them when they arrived back in the uk, glass was one of the big faults as its thinner and doesnt meet the required standard on some cars...
Also i would suggest you look into seeing how long your non-EU warranty is (1yr) as thats all your going to be covered for as car was sourced from a non-EU country...
If IM have accepted the car though, then you will be able to use the uk dealer network, your down side will be the problems your going to get if you need any sort of warranty work doing
Even if the car has the 1yr warranty, all claims will have still to go back to subaru cyprus, if they dont want to pay up then your going to be stuck with big bills.... and 1500miles is a long way to go to sort out warranty problems....
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28 July 2002, 04:29 PM
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Why bother going to all the hassle of importing from a non-EU country.
When I imported my MY00 via Holland I ended up paying less than £14k even with VAT , transport and new Clifford CAT1 alarm.
When I imported my MY00 via Holland I ended up paying less than £14k even with VAT , transport and new Clifford CAT1 alarm.
28 July 2002, 09:56 PM
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£16k and a bit including VAT for Belgian MY02 WRX wagon, including metallic. And that was at a poor exchange rate....
Three year warranty, no servicing issues. Much easier than worrying about whether a Cypriot car conforms or not....
Three year warranty, no servicing issues. Much easier than worrying about whether a Cypriot car conforms or not....
28 July 2002, 11:16 PM
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I'tll cost me about £350 for shipping + insurance to get it back to Cyprus so if anything major does arise then dealer will find my car on his door step.
Good point about the non eu warranty and I will be checking, nowing my luck it'll run out next week then the engine will decide to go for a wander.
I now some people who have bought greys from some import specialists in UK promising 3yr warranty etc, one guy had huge probs and dealer managed to wrangle his way out of it through the small print.
I wanted a TypeR and in UK it would have cost me nigh on £26K @ the time, I weighed up pros and cons and decided I'd rather keep the extra cash in my pocket than some less than scrupulous dealer.
Hence I have GGR service my car reg and change oil etc every 1500-2000miles, she runs sweet as a nut (touch cloth/wood).
Dealer knows I love scoobs and will return and as I bought 2 at a time he could'nt have been more amicable, as many test drives as I wanted etc etc with what I saved I could have three for the price of 2 in the UK.
I will return... just why cant the uk guys be just as helpfull and reasonable,,, because they know if you dont buy somebody else will be happy too,
most will still buy if they get crap service,
are only to happy to pay over the odds etc etc etc....
I'tll cost me about £350 for shipping + insurance to get it back to Cyprus so if anything major does arise then dealer will find my car on his door step.
Good point about the non eu warranty and I will be checking, nowing my luck it'll run out next week then the engine will decide to go for a wander.
I now some people who have bought greys from some import specialists in UK promising 3yr warranty etc, one guy had huge probs and dealer managed to wrangle his way out of it through the small print.
I wanted a TypeR and in UK it would have cost me nigh on £26K @ the time, I weighed up pros and cons and decided I'd rather keep the extra cash in my pocket than some less than scrupulous dealer.
Hence I have GGR service my car reg and change oil etc every 1500-2000miles, she runs sweet as a nut (touch cloth/wood).
Dealer knows I love scoobs and will return and as I bought 2 at a time he could'nt have been more amicable, as many test drives as I wanted etc etc with what I saved I could have three for the price of 2 in the UK.
I will return... just why cant the uk guys be just as helpfull and reasonable,,, because they know if you dont buy somebody else will be happy too,
most will still buy if they get crap service,
are only to happy to pay over the odds etc etc etc....
29 July 2002, 02:05 PM
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>thus not really conforming to EU standards and the probability of being shunned by Subaru UK is more likely.
Subaru UK will shun you anyway! They always refer warranty back to the original dealer and importer and never argue. My MY00 came from Holland and the dealer was great but when the clutch judder got terrible I had the UK dealer do the work and claim it back. I looked over the clutch as I was advised to do by my Dutch dealer and it looked fine. In fact even the Dutch importer agreed with my claim so they paid the parts... er hold on, replacements for duff clutches dont fit themselves.... hmmmm.... Still safe in the knowledge that my car now had a fully warranted UK clutch I paid the 300odd quid labour....
So less than 6k miles later my clutch is juddering again i take it in to my local UK dealer and they say they will refer it to warranty at IM. They do that and IM refer it to Holland who refuse to pay. I say yes but its a UK clutch and they say, ahhh yes but you didnt have a flywheel when you had it done so we wont pay... Charlatans I say.
I shall not be buying another Subaru or anything from IM etc... bitter? maybe....
Subaru UK will shun you anyway! They always refer warranty back to the original dealer and importer and never argue. My MY00 came from Holland and the dealer was great but when the clutch judder got terrible I had the UK dealer do the work and claim it back. I looked over the clutch as I was advised to do by my Dutch dealer and it looked fine. In fact even the Dutch importer agreed with my claim so they paid the parts... er hold on, replacements for duff clutches dont fit themselves.... hmmmm.... Still safe in the knowledge that my car now had a fully warranted UK clutch I paid the 300odd quid labour....
So less than 6k miles later my clutch is juddering again i take it in to my local UK dealer and they say they will refer it to warranty at IM. They do that and IM refer it to Holland who refuse to pay. I say yes but its a UK clutch and they say, ahhh yes but you didnt have a flywheel when you had it done so we wont pay... Charlatans I say.
I shall not be buying another Subaru or anything from IM etc... bitter? maybe....
29 July 2002, 07:19 PM
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Hi, as it seems a fair few of you have lived in cyprus, i was wondering if you can help-
Frankly, im sick to death of this country, and was thinking of moving to Cyprus (most my family are there too, so il have some help).
I was just wondering how much it would cost to get my car shipped over to cyprus, and what it would cost me?
And also, what are living costs (inc houses) and job prospects etc like over there?
And also are there any decent tuners or rolling roads there who can look after my car (ive no problem getting bits sent over from UK, and doing most work myself, but a expert on highly tuned trackday type cars, esp with a rolling road, would be very handy.
Whas car insurance like ove there too? I presume you can buy super unleaded too?
Thanks in advance.
[Edited by Steve3dr - 7/29/2002 7:22:48 PM]
Frankly, im sick to death of this country, and was thinking of moving to Cyprus (most my family are there too, so il have some help).
I was just wondering how much it would cost to get my car shipped over to cyprus, and what it would cost me?
And also, what are living costs (inc houses) and job prospects etc like over there?
And also are there any decent tuners or rolling roads there who can look after my car (ive no problem getting bits sent over from UK, and doing most work myself, but a expert on highly tuned trackday type cars, esp with a rolling road, would be very handy.
Whas car insurance like ove there too? I presume you can buy super unleaded too?
Thanks in advance.
[Edited by Steve3dr - 7/29/2002 7:22:48 PM]
29 July 2002, 07:58 PM
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Can't help on the tuning/rolling road side but...
Shipping cost me £495 incl insurance. (dazza appears to know someone cheaper though)
Housing is relatively cheap (compared to UK), more so in the North (depends where your family are) and cost of living is very low (away from tourist areas). Super Unleaded is about 22p per litre!!!
and car insurance is very low too. All this and fantastic weather (mostly).
Job prospects aren't great though.
Hope this helps. (surely your family can give you a better idea?)
Shipping cost me £495 incl insurance. (dazza appears to know someone cheaper though)
Housing is relatively cheap (compared to UK), more so in the North (depends where your family are) and cost of living is very low (away from tourist areas). Super Unleaded is about 22p per litre!!!
and car insurance is very low too. All this and fantastic weather (mostly).Job prospects aren't great though.
Hope this helps. (surely your family can give you a better idea?)
29 July 2002, 10:52 PM
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Thanks, any other peoples opinions are greatly appreciated.
I not asked my family yet (they in south, larnaca mainly) as i want a "brit living abroad" type of view, as even tho my familys from cyprus, i was born here and can hardly speak any greek...
Sounds good so far tho...
Cheers
Steve
I not asked my family yet (they in south, larnaca mainly) as i want a "brit living abroad" type of view, as even tho my familys from cyprus, i was born here and can hardly speak any greek...
Sounds good so far tho...
Cheers
Steve
30 July 2002, 12:11 PM
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just correcting a few areas of confusion...
it IS possible to order an EU spec car in cyprus but you should be aware that local market doesn't require this - e-marked cars have different glass, wiring, and other fundamental differences some essential for type approval in europe, others more practical (like underseal that isn't needed in cyprus)- If using katamis in nicosia or larnaca they will be able to advise you the difference between them - they have been selling duty free cars for export to forces and GCHQ staff for decades and it has always been this way!
You can of course go for a full jap-spec car aswell - but this will need to go through EVSA when it arrives in the UK - not too costly but you need to know what you are doing and could come up against problems with items like the HID headlamps etc. - nothing insurmountable though. The key to a smooth import is to liaise with folks that know what they are doing - or just go to litchfield or car imports direct who have bought from this route previously - their 'commission' is not that great and may save loads in hassle free terms.
with reference to working/living in cyprus... until they make it into the EU then you don't stand much of a chance of getting a work permit - there are very tough rules on employing 'foreigners' and a decidedly protectionist stance from the locals. The political situation is also still unsettled so there is a risk associated with buying property over there - it is not inconceivable that hostilities could happen again - though unlikely.
Transferring money out of cyprus banks is problematic too (and more so for cypriots!) - they like to see currency re-invested locally not going back to london ;-)
That said, if you have a 'desireable' profession than you could find work easily enough and if you are easy with a little risk then property is a good investment too. My pick would be prodrhomos/platres mountain retreat for weekends and a flat near to work.
I wish eh?
Paul W
it IS possible to order an EU spec car in cyprus but you should be aware that local market doesn't require this - e-marked cars have different glass, wiring, and other fundamental differences some essential for type approval in europe, others more practical (like underseal that isn't needed in cyprus)- If using katamis in nicosia or larnaca they will be able to advise you the difference between them - they have been selling duty free cars for export to forces and GCHQ staff for decades and it has always been this way!
You can of course go for a full jap-spec car aswell - but this will need to go through EVSA when it arrives in the UK - not too costly but you need to know what you are doing and could come up against problems with items like the HID headlamps etc. - nothing insurmountable though. The key to a smooth import is to liaise with folks that know what they are doing - or just go to litchfield or car imports direct who have bought from this route previously - their 'commission' is not that great and may save loads in hassle free terms.
with reference to working/living in cyprus... until they make it into the EU then you don't stand much of a chance of getting a work permit - there are very tough rules on employing 'foreigners' and a decidedly protectionist stance from the locals. The political situation is also still unsettled so there is a risk associated with buying property over there - it is not inconceivable that hostilities could happen again - though unlikely.
Transferring money out of cyprus banks is problematic too (and more so for cypriots!) - they like to see currency re-invested locally not going back to london ;-)
That said, if you have a 'desireable' profession than you could find work easily enough and if you are easy with a little risk then property is a good investment too. My pick would be prodrhomos/platres mountain retreat for weekends and a flat near to work.
I wish eh?
Paul W
30 July 2002, 04:24 PM
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lol! they best gimme a fookin work permit- they used to try hard enough to get me to do the national service soon as i touched down in cyprus n they realised my familys from there! always got outa it tho, thank god.
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