**WARNING - PUMP FUELS**
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This is an article from SDB Mtorsport that I have just read. I am now Scoobyless (sold last month 
) but am purchasing a Westfield and still keep my hand in on Scoobynet 
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High Performance Engines and Pump Fuels
IMPORTANT NOTE – Must read!
We first noticed towards the end of the 1998 season that our high spec engines (2.0L 16V XE’s running 8 injectors, circa
290bhp), were required to have the head gaskets changed due to deterioration of the gaskets themselves. We put this
originally down to possibly a batch of head gaskets that had had the material specification changed. But during the 1999
season, these same engines needed the head gaskets changed on a more frequent basis. We still considered the possibility
that the gasket material was causing the problem. At this time we were not seeing any problems occurring with engines in
lower output and specification. By the time we reached the 2000 season, and engines were being returned for routine rebuild,
it was noted that the engines of around 270bhp were showing signs of slight deterioration in gasket material, but this was
still producing no problems.
We decided to invest in a higher specification gasket with stainless steel firing ring. These gaskets also came in various
thicknesses, that allowed us to reuse cylinder heads, which for one reason or another had been damaged and required
skimming, beyond what would have been there normal life span. During the 2000 season, we noticed the newer gasket did
give significant improvement and engines that were inspected mid season, showed less sign if any, in gasket deterioration.
But by the end of the 2000 season, although the new gaskets were helping to extend time between maintenance, they still
had not cured the problem. At this point, we decided it was not the gaskets causing the problem, and by replacing the
gasket with a higher specification was trying to cover the problem up, rather than fixing the cause. By the beginning of the
2001 season we were getting reports from other engine builders, not only people who build Vauxhall engines, but other
makes as well, who had been suffering similar problems, particularly on high compression engines. We had also noticed
during programming of engines on the dyno, that specification engines that require for example, 32 degrees of ignition in
1998, were now requiring ignition advance in the 20 degree regions.
We believe the problems are being caused by the components used to produce the current pump fuels. As far as we can
gather from various sources, many of the components such as Tolurine (highly carcinogenic), have been banned from use.
There are other similar components which have also been banned. The advantage that was gained with these now banned
components, was they took a lot longer to deteriorate in the fuels, than there replacements. Again from the information we
have received, although the octane levels as far as RON (Research Octane Number) have not changed much since 1998,
obviously the fuel is new. So when the tests are carried out, the fuel reaches the desired octane level. Unfortunately, due to
the fact that the components being used deteriorate quicker, by the time it has been stored in the petrol pumps, or in your
fuel tank, its octane level drops much faster than it would have done with the now banned components. The longer it is left
in the car, the faster the octane level will deteriorate, particularly when the weather is hot.
In the last couple of weeks, we have stripped both of the two high spec engines, which are used in short and endurance races
(these have been using Carless racing fuel). Neither engine is showing signs of head gasket deterioration.
So although our results cannot be claimed to be conclusive, we recommend that if you are to use pump fuel, you try and
purchase it from a petrol station that has a regular turn round, therefore making sure the fuel is as fresh as possible. We
advise the use of an octane booster as well, to help maintain the octane level of the fuel (we are not advising you to use the
octane booster to increase your octane level, more to try and sustain the octane level that you require as a minimum, due to
the deterioration rate of the fuel). For any high specification engines, we recommend you run a control fuel. Fuels such as,
Carless or Elf racing fuels which come in sealed containers and certification of there octane level. It is also suggested that the
engine is programmed on the particular fuel you intend on running the engine on.
Due to the fact that the pump fuels components are changed by the fuel manufacturers continually throughout the year, it
makes it extremely difficult to programme the ignition on an engine and then expect it to run on varying grades of fuel at its
optimum. So, it is suggested that you either run a control fuel if possible, if not keep a good check on the engines
condition. Unfortunately it is quite difficult to determine head gasket deterioration, unless the engine is stripped on a regular
basis. If you wait until the head gasket has failed, unfortunately the resulting damage is quite considerable due to the fact
water and oil are sucked into the combustion chamber. Even if this is in small quantities, water and oil mixed with the
combustible fuel, rapidly accelerates detonation. The resulting appearance to even the most professional eye, would make
you think the engine has been programmed with excessive ignition. Since the cylinder head and pistons will usually be
eaten away, giving the appearance that somebody has chipped away with a small chisel on both surfaces. The effect
accelerates at an exponential rate. We have seen in some tests, the damage described appear in seconds
[Edited by DAZ 4 - 6/26/2002 8:57:26 AM]
) but am purchasing a Westfield and still keep my hand in on Scoobynet . High Performance Engines and Pump Fuels
IMPORTANT NOTE – Must read!
We first noticed towards the end of the 1998 season that our high spec engines (2.0L 16V XE’s running 8 injectors, circa
290bhp), were required to have the head gaskets changed due to deterioration of the gaskets themselves. We put this
originally down to possibly a batch of head gaskets that had had the material specification changed. But during the 1999
season, these same engines needed the head gaskets changed on a more frequent basis. We still considered the possibility
that the gasket material was causing the problem. At this time we were not seeing any problems occurring with engines in
lower output and specification. By the time we reached the 2000 season, and engines were being returned for routine rebuild,
it was noted that the engines of around 270bhp were showing signs of slight deterioration in gasket material, but this was
still producing no problems.
We decided to invest in a higher specification gasket with stainless steel firing ring. These gaskets also came in various
thicknesses, that allowed us to reuse cylinder heads, which for one reason or another had been damaged and required
skimming, beyond what would have been there normal life span. During the 2000 season, we noticed the newer gasket did
give significant improvement and engines that were inspected mid season, showed less sign if any, in gasket deterioration.
But by the end of the 2000 season, although the new gaskets were helping to extend time between maintenance, they still
had not cured the problem. At this point, we decided it was not the gaskets causing the problem, and by replacing the
gasket with a higher specification was trying to cover the problem up, rather than fixing the cause. By the beginning of the
2001 season we were getting reports from other engine builders, not only people who build Vauxhall engines, but other
makes as well, who had been suffering similar problems, particularly on high compression engines. We had also noticed
during programming of engines on the dyno, that specification engines that require for example, 32 degrees of ignition in
1998, were now requiring ignition advance in the 20 degree regions.
We believe the problems are being caused by the components used to produce the current pump fuels. As far as we can
gather from various sources, many of the components such as Tolurine (highly carcinogenic), have been banned from use.
There are other similar components which have also been banned. The advantage that was gained with these now banned
components, was they took a lot longer to deteriorate in the fuels, than there replacements. Again from the information we
have received, although the octane levels as far as RON (Research Octane Number) have not changed much since 1998,
obviously the fuel is new. So when the tests are carried out, the fuel reaches the desired octane level. Unfortunately, due to
the fact that the components being used deteriorate quicker, by the time it has been stored in the petrol pumps, or in your
fuel tank, its octane level drops much faster than it would have done with the now banned components. The longer it is left
in the car, the faster the octane level will deteriorate, particularly when the weather is hot.
In the last couple of weeks, we have stripped both of the two high spec engines, which are used in short and endurance races
(these have been using Carless racing fuel). Neither engine is showing signs of head gasket deterioration.
So although our results cannot be claimed to be conclusive, we recommend that if you are to use pump fuel, you try and
purchase it from a petrol station that has a regular turn round, therefore making sure the fuel is as fresh as possible. We
advise the use of an octane booster as well, to help maintain the octane level of the fuel (we are not advising you to use the
octane booster to increase your octane level, more to try and sustain the octane level that you require as a minimum, due to
the deterioration rate of the fuel). For any high specification engines, we recommend you run a control fuel. Fuels such as,
Carless or Elf racing fuels which come in sealed containers and certification of there octane level. It is also suggested that the
engine is programmed on the particular fuel you intend on running the engine on.
Due to the fact that the pump fuels components are changed by the fuel manufacturers continually throughout the year, it
makes it extremely difficult to programme the ignition on an engine and then expect it to run on varying grades of fuel at its
optimum. So, it is suggested that you either run a control fuel if possible, if not keep a good check on the engines
condition. Unfortunately it is quite difficult to determine head gasket deterioration, unless the engine is stripped on a regular
basis. If you wait until the head gasket has failed, unfortunately the resulting damage is quite considerable due to the fact
water and oil are sucked into the combustion chamber. Even if this is in small quantities, water and oil mixed with the
combustible fuel, rapidly accelerates detonation. The resulting appearance to even the most professional eye, would make
you think the engine has been programmed with excessive ignition. Since the cylinder head and pistons will usually be
eaten away, giving the appearance that somebody has chipped away with a small chisel on both surfaces. The effect
accelerates at an exponential rate. We have seen in some tests, the damage described appear in seconds
[Edited by DAZ 4 - 6/26/2002 8:57:26 AM]
It makes octane booster an absolute necessity on track days 
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Well - toluene, then...
So generally just not a happy chemical. However, the EPA (where the info came from) seem to think it's find kicking about the house - just don't drink the stuff or sleep in a closed room with the lid off.
Anyway, it's just the sort of thing that gets removed because 'it might do something bad.' However, the 'does do something good' bit may well have been ignored.
How can toluene affect my health?
Toluene may affect the nervous system. Low to moderate levles can cause tiredness, confusion, weakness, drunken-type actions, memory loss, nausea, loss of appetite, and hearing and color vision loss. These symptoms usually disappear when exposure is stopped.
Inhaling High levels of toluene in a short time can make you feel light-headed, dizzy, or sleepy. It can also cause unconsciousness, and even death.
High levels of toluene may affect your kidneys.
How likely is toluene to cause cancer?
Studies in humans and animals generally indicate that toluene does not cause cancer.
The EPA has determined that the carcinogenicity of toluene can not be classified.
Toluene may affect the nervous system. Low to moderate levles can cause tiredness, confusion, weakness, drunken-type actions, memory loss, nausea, loss of appetite, and hearing and color vision loss. These symptoms usually disappear when exposure is stopped.
Inhaling High levels of toluene in a short time can make you feel light-headed, dizzy, or sleepy. It can also cause unconsciousness, and even death.
High levels of toluene may affect your kidneys.
How likely is toluene to cause cancer?
Studies in humans and animals generally indicate that toluene does not cause cancer.
The EPA has determined that the carcinogenicity of toluene can not be classified.
Anyway, it's just the sort of thing that gets removed because 'it might do something bad.' However, the 'does do something good' bit may well have been ignored.
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Hi folks,
Does anyone know if SUL has a shelflife ? I seem to remember reading somewhere that SUL cannot be stored in cans as it degrades . Can anyone confirm this ? Does this affect octane booster too... ?
Regards,
John
Does anyone know if SUL has a shelflife ? I seem to remember reading somewhere that SUL cannot be stored in cans as it degrades . Can anyone confirm this ? Does this affect octane booster too... ?
Regards,
John
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