Hi guys what would the realistic budget I would need to go 450 bhp. Got a budget of around 10k

Current spec of the car Engine



Ej20 factory forged pistons

Fuji baffle sump kit

Fuji half moons

Fuji magnetic sump plug

Fuji cylinder 4 cooling mod

Fuji 11mm oil pump (due to running a oil cooler)

RCM oil filter

RCM fuel pressure regulator

RCM Thermostat

RCM headers with up pipe (wrapped in funk Motorsports heat wrap)

Tegwia ally radiator

Mishimoto header tank

Mishinmoto 08-14 tmic

Zero sports undertary had to custom to fit the oversize tmic

Fuji racing wing induction kit

Perrin 4 map sensor

3 port boost

Perrin oil air separator

Spec c oil cooler

Parallel fuel lines

Touque UK fuel rails

walbro 400 fuel pump

GFB bov

Perrin inlet pipe

Scoobyworld red coolant pipes

Scoobyworld 3inch full raptor exhaust (downpipe wrap in funk Motorsports heat wrap)

Sc38 scooby clinic racing turbo

Perrin dress up bits

Alecteck ECU mapped by beefy with anti lag and launch control plus mafless.the maf on the car just measures air temp

Group n engine mounts

Gearbox and diff

Fuji clutch line

Fuji pitch stop

Fuji Gear Linkage Solid Bush

Fuji Propshaft Centre Bearing Solid Mount

RCM lightweight

Stage 3 compilation clutch (dose take some getting used to)

Group n Gear Lever Support

Group n gearbox mounts

Group n diff me mounts

Whiteline Front Gearbox crossmember pad bushing

Prodrive diff guard

Handling

Meister r coilovers

Engine brace

Boot brace

Scoobyworld brace

Spec C quick streeing rack

Tegwia full polybush set (Front Wishbone, Front Bush 61mm tube , Front Wishbone, Rear Bush , Rear Trailing Arm to Body Mount , Rear Trailing Arm to Hub Mount , Rear Forward Track Arm Inner , Rear Aft Track Arm Inner , Rear Fore and Aft Track Arms, Outer Bushes)

Whitline subframe lock bolts

Whitline adjustable arms

Whiteline arb back mount

Whitline front droplinks

Whiteline bump steer

Whiteline front arb

Whiteline rear arb

Perrin rear droplinks



Brakes



Tegwia brack stopper

Godspeed braided brake lines

8 pot k sports brakes on the front

4 pot Alcon rear brakes

Floating discs front and back

5.1 Break fluid



I have already bought to go onto the 450 bhp build.



ID 1050 injectors

Twin scroll sump

Mishimoto FMIC.

 

Mine is jdm sti 2.1l with PW tmic 493/450 on vpower 1.7 bar
529/490 meth mix 14mm headstuds.
You need turbo capable of 450 horses with 1.45 bar boost.
Some say even 20psi could lift heads with oem heads studs
But if You have budget of 10k i assume You have plans for engine build.
Mine costs 7k plus engine in/out 650 ,turbo 2300 with fitting kit
Your engine needs only better headstuds but 450horses turbo on 2.0 will be laggy.

 

Was looking at one of them tuned by Tim *** turbo with meth. Would it be worth getting the spec c heads and cams on it.

 

On one hand Yes flow better on higher revs but jdm heads costs 1500 quid if i remember good where Yours heads flow good for 450 horses.
Asperformance could port Yours installing better new cams ,maybe it will be as good or better ,not sure how much costs porting.
Other options are used jdm heads with used cams- i used my old cams and heads but other thing is to buy used parts from somebody-could finish as buy cheap buy twice but maybe asperformance has some for sale.

I considered one of Tims turbos but did not like his twinscroll or twinentry versions ,went rcm500 twinentry
Make sure You buy ball bearing turbo ,think i will avoid vf hybrids.

With 11mm studs, no heads work 2.1 engine should costs around 5.5k -maybe less-with oem valves,heads,cams.
Better cams will rise price from 5.5k ,same for heads porting and valves.
I would add manifold spacers giving You more room for intake pipe and engine/manifold heat management and make sure You buy rcm or other brand steel/ alloy camshaft pulleys 2 or 4 going with better cams.
Oem pulleys have some plastic -prone to failure.
Alcatek ecu,could it handle flex fuel sensor?

 

I was looking at going link ECU. Was tempted to get this short block. With some JDM heads I can make money selling the old engine then like

 

Sorry mate not quite understanding the question. Whats wrong with your current engine? Or are you saying yours won't hold 450bhp?

Tim *** turbos is a good choice, was speaking to him extensively as was going to get a turbo built by him but ended up finding an RCM 500. The other thing to take into consideration which I found out afterwards was when you have it apart there are loads of random pipes and rubber that breaks or is well past its best and I thought I'm not pulling it all out just to change one bit so include that as it adds up very quick.

 

Hi

Nothing wrong with the engine it's just I don't want to start pushing a older engine as it's on 87k.

I know what you mean with them pipes I've had to change a ton of them the last 3 years as they went hard

 

Just realised its you @Hawkins 1995 have you changed your profile picture? I understand what you're saying mate, I've found labour prices have increased which means rebuild prices have also gone up. So have all the little clips, screws etc, although you can actually get them now. If you're willing to do the running around and find parts you can save a decent amount. I've just gone 2.1 on a closed deck, man maths was saying its going to be cheap. It really isn't.

If you sell yours are you selling as a complete block with ancillaries? £10k is a healthy budget but if you're doing a drop off and pick up I can see you exceeding it if you're going for certain parts replacements.

 

haha yeah I changed it as I went for purple wheels rather then the gold, was to much of a pain keeping them clean with the big brakes.

I was originally going to sell up and get a evo as some of the prices I was getting was shocking. Matt baker gave me a tidy deal but I was having a look the other day and that popped up and thought it might be worth a shout as I'm not getting the best of offers on mine. I know a couple people running good power on the stock motors but I didn't fancy it on mine as its on 87k.

I thought maybe get that short motor with them JDM heads and all the bits to go with it like apr head bolts etc and I got a tidy base to push onto the 450 bhp.

I have spoken to Craig Bellworthy and he can get a turbo made for around 1000 and have spoken to Duncan and he can do a Syvecs ECU for around 2200.

Did SCR do your 2.1 build?

 

That Syvecs is cheap mate, very cheap. Links are more than that once you start mapping.

It was the guy from down south can't remember the name Engine Tuner guys I think. Short block has been sitting in my house a while now lol. Got the JDM heads machined, few more bits to get and then need to find the time to put it all together and the funds for all those extras that will need doing.

You could run your engine till it goes bang or sell it now and put the funds towards the new one.

 

yeah he said the link would be 2400 and I would need a flex fuel sensor if I wanted it to adjust it automatically. cant fault the syvecs price ill be going for the one like

i think that is the best plan is to sell my engine and get a new bloke in. just need to find them heads haha.

always fun and games with these how much power are you looking at getting out of it?

 

Aiming for 500bhp, should have left it as 320bhp lol with the vf34.

I had a very quick, and I mean really quick google on the syvecs. There are some that start at around £2k and others that go to £4k+. Compare the features against the link. When I looked at the £4k version it was overkill for my needs where the link seemed the better choice. Options vs price.

 

 

Those new ej207 blocks are not the best if thick walled it is.
Speak to Alyn he can explain it.
For jdm heads You need new cams, it could costs a lot depends from a brand and how aggressive You go.
Forged pistons are not expensive,what kind of rods if any?
Rods could cost 400 or 1300 quid
go 2.1 with 2.5l crank,than You need matching pistons etc
2.1l is a way,much better car it is even off boost -with no turbo cruising in town etc.
Those syvecs with all sensors seems very cheap. Did not ask Duncan but others charged 3k+ closer to 4k with sensors fitted and mapped.
You need flex fuel sensor with syvecs if You would like to use meth,it costs 200 quid ,are You sure its included in price? all in means mapped and is it new ecu ?
If You go new engine for piece of mind i would go 14mm head studs.
Mine build costs 7k ,if i would go rcm rods it will be 700 quid more plus heads porting it will cost more closer to 8.5k for engine alone, using my old engine adding cdb inserts it will cost 9k plus engine out/in.
Ask builder about parts he will drop to an engine, those could rise budget way over 2k pounds.
Semi closed deck is good for 550 maybe 600 horses ,buy parts accordingly to it ,do not go overkill as price gap is huge sometimes.
Those 450 horses singlescroll hybrid turbos are laggy- most of them on fmic.
Rcm500 spools as quick maybe even earlier with better top end and hold torque very well,i mean if You build new engine i would go rcm500 turbo instead gtx3071r hybrid.
Think Precision compressor housing with turbine wheel play a part here,it flows good mated with 2.4" intake it spools early.
Have graphs of them all posted over a years only one close to mine is genuine garret gtx3071r no hybrid is even close.
For 450 horses i would stick with tmic ,if mine PW would not work i will buy Chevron race tmic intercooler but it does good job. You have members here with rotated 600 horses setups and Chevron tmic.
I have 2 maps one 1.4 bar and 1.7 bar.
On some gears 1.4 bar goes to 1.68 bar ,1st gear turbo starts around 3800 rpms and it is laggy,most of smaller gtx3071r are spooling even later with going hard around 4200
On 1.7 bar map turbo spools around 3400 maybe even earlier ,kick hard at 3800 and thats noticable difference. I do not drive on 1.4 bar map anymore as i do not like it at all due to lag.
For exmaple cruisng 70mph at 6th jdm dccd setup my turbo spools around 3300 rpms,no lag when You floor it. On 1.4 bar map i need to wait for turbo to wakes up.
Will map a car again leaving 1.7 bar map and go 2.0+ bar thats way i got 14mm head sttuds and 4 bar map sensor-see You have perrin fitted
With fmic You will add 200-300rpms of lag.
Not sure You have it but worth to add rcm race catch can,i have road version.
prices
syvecs if true 2200
rods 400 to 1300
valves valvetrain kit 1000 or used Yours with new springs etc
cams
crank
engine job 2500 plus
engine in/out 650 plus
jdm heads 1500
short block ..
turbo 1k plus
pulleys 200 plus
cambelt
manifold thermal spacers not needed but worth it 140 quid
rcm race catch can makes sense to put it in one go
intake pipe maybe ,i bought rcm one
if alcatec ecu can take flex fuel sensor I would stick with it,i would even stick with oem ecu if it could manage flex fuel sensor

 

Xona turbo from AET far superior turbo than the RCM 500 they are old tech nowadays.

 

Doubt there is any oem position better spooling turbo than rcm500 that spools so early and give similar numbers on 2.1 petrol
Link,graph,movie with them fitted otherwise its just trash talk as usuall​​​​​ and op asked about engine costs btw

 

Spool far superior on Xona turbo ask Basky on type ra. I advised him to purchase one and he said it transformed his car. Actually thought you'd started to listen instead of spouting rubbish for a while but obviously not.
Just received this after asking. Xona turbo running 1.6 bar on a 2l it's basically a running in map then it's going to 2 bar.

 

Cheers boys I was going to have Craig build me a turbo. He's done a couple of my friends cars and they have all been happy with them

 

Spec c camshafts came today currently on sale at import car parts if anyone is after a set

 

@Hawkins 1995 your PM box is full

 

Just deleted 20 message

 

Still says it's full

 

Thanks, will message now

 

On above graph it shows 240 horses at 4k revs where torque is dead from a beginning ,thats even worst than vf34,it just did numbers on top where torque falls like a stone at 6k revs.
You should tell him to improve his heads setup,it makes no sense at all with 1500 revs of usable torque band.
Rcm500 has big turbine wheel,its best oem position turbo on a market (owens twinscroll is but needs 3k pounds intercooler, speed sensor,standalone ecu etc)but it needs at least 2.1l engine.
Superior ,my rcm500 1.7 bar -0.1more just kills it with 120 lbft more at 4k revs being just 100cc bigger capacity engine.
Xona is laggy ,no way it will improve much o. 2.1l thats 80 horses to gain to at 4k revs.
Will wait for 2.0bar map on petrol

 

You Sir are not for real you contradict everything you are told. He had an RCM500 and replaced it with a Xona. His vehicle is a 2.0l S202 so didn't want to start building a 2.1. The RCM is very old turbo technology in fact Precision turbo as of course you will know. Now I've better things to do than argue rubbish that you twist to suit yourself. He is happy with his decision why don't you go onto type-ra and ask him.
Just another thing I have vehicles here that have Borg Warner, Owens, SC/Blouch and the standard variations on engines I have built not from something I have read.

 

Delete your number mate.

 

After reading this it makes me laugh.
heads are s202 so big valve anyway.the rcm you say is the best oem positioned turbo well thats not true,it was a good turbo back then but is very laggy and really the best thing I did was to remove it and go smaller to make the car a quick and not fast
I have logs showing you have to keep revs high to stay in boost whilst on track and on sprints.
the xona made the car far quicker not as power full but along with help from Simon at cheveron with the 3" intake the car is totally different it's like going from the 80,s to the 2000,s
Bare in mind the run in graph was,nt the finish thing. But alls i will say chasing figures is not for me but a nice usable fast car is.i have the graphs for the rcm at 540 at spool is 1500k later .yes mine is a forged 2.0litre but if it's quicker spool on a 2.0 it can only be quicker on a 2.1 surely.
by the way joe has worked with so many turbos he would be the very man to listen to and take advice from.

 

Basky how did you eek out 540 on the rcm500? Meth? Do you have a graph for it?

Sorry for the highjack.

 

Yes it was with meth,486 on v power and 540 ish on meth the graphs shows how lazy the precision turbo is on a single scroll 2.0
Like I've said yeah it was fast but it now feels quicker with less power down about 30lbft and it was roller bearing billet wheel

 

No point having 1000bhp if its right at the top of rev range a millisecond before changing gear with nothing up until then in my opinion (unless its drag racing etc). I've gone rcm500 too but on a 2.1 build. I looked at a few graphs before buying, got a good deal on a used one so went for it. Lets see how it performs if I ever get the car back together. I was on a VF34 before, response was brilliant on that but I wanted more. I completely understand where your coming from though, on a street/track car I would want it kicking in sooner. Lets see.