Urgent - Please Help - Rb5 v UK99???????
15 May 2001, 11:00 AM
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I have the chance to purchase an RB5. It's a full WRsport version April 99 1 owner with 24,000 miles. What's it worth?
I have a UKmy 99 Air con DBM 2 owners 15000 miles. What's it worth?
Any help would be most appreciated.
Thanks
I have a UKmy 99 Air con DBM 2 owners 15000 miles. What's it worth?
Any help would be most appreciated.
Thanks
15 May 2001, 11:49 AM
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For 3k you could probably get the PPP and 17" wheels, which are the only really significant differences between your car and the RB5 anyway. That would at least be risk-free.
There's a group buy of the PPP going on at the moment for £1450+vat, mail me if you're interested.
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There's a group buy of the PPP going on at the moment for £1450+vat, mail me if you're interested.
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15 May 2001, 01:48 PM
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but most RB5 WRs are only coming up for sale at top dollar (dealer still advertising at £20k+) 
Whereas UK supplied MY99 are at rock bottom and you will be lucky to get £14/15k. EU ones are even lower than that (have seen EU MY99s for little over £10k)
You will be looking at £5 or 6k on top on yours
But the difference between std MY99 and RB5 WR is more than just PPP and 17" wheels. Add in PIAAs, alcantara trim, WR spoiler, special paint job, quickshift, and that before you start factoring in exclusivity/desirability/better re-sale values etc
Whereas UK supplied MY99 are at rock bottom and you will be lucky to get £14/15k. EU ones are even lower than that (have seen EU MY99s for little over £10k)
You will be looking at £5 or 6k on top on yours
But the difference between std MY99 and RB5 WR is more than just PPP and 17" wheels. Add in PIAAs, alcantara trim, WR spoiler, special paint job, quickshift, and that before you start factoring in exclusivity/desirability/better re-sale values etc
15 May 2001, 03:10 PM
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This is a dealer car and is a minter, will be up for £20,495. Had a look a round and can find 2 at this spec at £22,995!!!!!
I just don't know whether the driving experience will £5000 or £6000 better?
I just don't know whether the driving experience will £5000 or £6000 better?
15 May 2001, 04:07 PM
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Cheam Motors have an RB5 on their forecourt at the moment for around 21K - not sure of the spec (I'll have a look on the way home), but it might be an alternative - could be tempted myself
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Cheam Motors have an RB5 on their forecourt at the moment for around 21K - not sure of the spec (I'll have a look on the way home), but it might be an alternative - could be tempted myself
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15 May 2001, 04:15 PM
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Look at it this way, when new the car was about 5K more than yours (air con taken into account). As others have said, standard cars are rock bottom at the mo, so if they want yours + 5K then I don't think it's too much..take the car for a drive and see what you think - but be prepared to buy if you do...ooh that spoiler....
15 May 2001, 06:45 PM
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Liked the RB5 so much, bought two!Tested a used "enhanced" model from S&S, noisy with lumpy tick over not impressed,maybe a bad example.Certainly put me off the conversion!Going to get them chipped instead,ha ha.
15 May 2001, 09:51 PM
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GaryC: I hear what you're saying about the other features of the RB5. My point is that many equivalent options (PPP, lights, spoiler, interior pack etc) are available for the standard MY00 from Prodrive, and that if Mr Bian wants to spend money for a better driving experience then that's another way to go.
Personally I feel that the RB5 badge is like a designer label on a pair of jeans - some people are prepared to pay for it, and others aren't. I prefer to upgrade my MY00 in stages, one toy at a time as I feel the need, and the fact that it's not a special edition doesn't matter to me.
I like the RB5 but think it is (and was) overpriced. Maybe it'll hold its value better, in which case it's a good buy nonetheless. But I'm working towards giving my car some (but not all) of the toys from the WR Sport package instead.
Good luck whatever you decide, you'll have a fantastic car either way!
Andy.
Personally I feel that the RB5 badge is like a designer label on a pair of jeans - some people are prepared to pay for it, and others aren't. I prefer to upgrade my MY00 in stages, one toy at a time as I feel the need, and the fact that it's not a special edition doesn't matter to me.
I like the RB5 but think it is (and was) overpriced. Maybe it'll hold its value better, in which case it's a good buy nonetheless. But I'm working towards giving my car some (but not all) of the toys from the WR Sport package instead.
Good luck whatever you decide, you'll have a fantastic car either way!
Andy.
16 May 2001, 08:33 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyC_772:
<B>GaryC: I hear what you're saying about the other features of the RB5. My point is that many equivalent options (PPP, lights, spoiler, interior pack etc) are available for the standard MY00 from Prodrive, and that if Mr Bian wants to spend money for a better driving experience then that's another way to go.
Personally I feel that the RB5 badge is like a designer label on a pair of jeans - some people are prepared to pay for it, and others aren't. I prefer to upgrade my MY00 in stages, one toy at a time as I feel the need, and the fact that it's not a special edition doesn't matter to me.
Andy.[/quote]
Very good and fair point, but look at the cost of the equivalent prodrive options.
PPP = £2k
17" wheels+tyres = c£1500
Interior pack = c£2500? (granted better than RB5)
PIAAs = £450 (fitted)
Rear spolier = £1000 (painted and fitted)
You are looking at £7-7500 before the cache of the RB5 tag, fixed bulkhead (good point) etc etc.
I think the RB5 WR was very good value at the time. I regret spending almost £27k on a loaded DBM MY99 than chipping the extra in for the RB5, as when I sold mine, it lost a staggering £12,000 in a mere 16 months
<B>GaryC: I hear what you're saying about the other features of the RB5. My point is that many equivalent options (PPP, lights, spoiler, interior pack etc) are available for the standard MY00 from Prodrive, and that if Mr Bian wants to spend money for a better driving experience then that's another way to go.
Personally I feel that the RB5 badge is like a designer label on a pair of jeans - some people are prepared to pay for it, and others aren't. I prefer to upgrade my MY00 in stages, one toy at a time as I feel the need, and the fact that it's not a special edition doesn't matter to me.
Andy.[/quote]
Very good and fair point, but look at the cost of the equivalent prodrive options.
PPP = £2k
17" wheels+tyres = c£1500
Interior pack = c£2500? (granted better than RB5)
PIAAs = £450 (fitted)
Rear spolier = £1000 (painted and fitted)
You are looking at £7-7500 before the cache of the RB5 tag, fixed bulkhead (good point) etc etc.
I think the RB5 WR was very good value at the time. I regret spending almost £27k on a loaded DBM MY99 than chipping the extra in for the RB5, as when I sold mine, it lost a staggering £12,000 in a mere 16 months
16 May 2001, 08:59 AM
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hi
i currently have a 97 scoob with a full ss exhaust, i test drove a rb5 wr sport last saturday, not impressed, far better turn in due to the 17" wheels, better looks with the spoiler, but not worth the extra 7.5k on top of my car, it was a v plate, 20k miles, 21k to buy, dings on one door, kerbed front wheels, scrape on another door, didnt appear looked after, so i test drove a p1, definetley worth the extra, in fact i am picking one up on saturday
mark
i currently have a 97 scoob with a full ss exhaust, i test drove a rb5 wr sport last saturday, not impressed, far better turn in due to the 17" wheels, better looks with the spoiler, but not worth the extra 7.5k on top of my car, it was a v plate, 20k miles, 21k to buy, dings on one door, kerbed front wheels, scrape on another door, didnt appear looked after, so i test drove a p1, definetley worth the extra, in fact i am picking one up on saturday
mark
16 May 2001, 10:38 AM
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Mr Bian, I would say you are looking at £6-6,500 on top of your car. Whether it is worth it or not depends on whether you are going to modify your existing car up to the same spec anyway. If so then yes, as the resale value would be so much higher for the RB5 than an equivalently modified Turbo.
Drive87, is that your RB5 that is often parked in the Charringcross area then? I work in the area, and see one most days, just wondered if it was yours. (I know I could have posted this part in the was it you forum, but did not want to artificially increase mypost count
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Drive87, is that your RB5 that is often parked in the Charringcross area then? I work in the area, and see one most days, just wondered if it was yours. (I know I could have posted this part in the was it you forum, but did not want to artificially increase mypost count
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16 May 2001, 01:37 PM
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For £20,495 you can have my RB5 WR Sport
September '99 on a 'V' plate with warranty to September 2002, 16,000 miles and brand new Toyo T1's fitted less then 200 miles ago to unmarked alloys, serviced a month ago and carefully cleaned with Wax Wizard stuff whenever the weather is good enough.
Yex
September '99 on a 'V' plate with warranty to September 2002, 16,000 miles and brand new Toyo T1's fitted less then 200 miles ago to unmarked alloys, serviced a month ago and carefully cleaned with Wax Wizard stuff whenever the weather is good enough.
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16 May 2001, 02:36 PM
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Don't bother with the RB5 it they will be £15k soon, wait a little while and buy a UK300 instead.
If you are keeping the car for more than a year or so you will end up loosing much more money one the RB5 than the standard turbo.
GaryC's prices may be UK retail, but a quick look at what specialist offer could save ££££
Buy a PPP for with the group buy,
Get some 17'' wheels and tyres for £700
Sell your wheels for £250 and then net cost is only £450.
Buy a big spoiler if you want, there are much cheaper options than £1k worth of prodrive spoiler. (say circa £500 for the scoobysport one, much less for many others).
And remeber you can sell your spoiler for £125
So PPP - £1700
Wheels - £450 (net)
Big Spolier - £375 (net)
Strut Brace - £75
So total for engine/exterior - £2600
If you want a retrim there is a company who do leather scooby retrims for £750.
Easy
Then other options you can add if you actually need them (eg PIAA's are only useful if you drive on very quiet roads in the dark!)
RB5 is a great car but in the long run may not be worth much more than a standard car.
Just my thoughts,
Jon
If you are keeping the car for more than a year or so you will end up loosing much more money one the RB5 than the standard turbo.
GaryC's prices may be UK retail, but a quick look at what specialist offer could save ££££
Buy a PPP for with the group buy,
Get some 17'' wheels and tyres for £700
Sell your wheels for £250 and then net cost is only £450.
Buy a big spoiler if you want, there are much cheaper options than £1k worth of prodrive spoiler. (say circa £500 for the scoobysport one, much less for many others).
And remeber you can sell your spoiler for £125
So PPP - £1700
Wheels - £450 (net)
Big Spolier - £375 (net)
Strut Brace - £75
So total for engine/exterior - £2600
If you want a retrim there is a company who do leather scooby retrims for £750.
Easy
Then other options you can add if you actually need them (eg PIAA's are only useful if you drive on very quiet roads in the dark!)
RB5 is a great car but in the long run may not be worth much more than a standard car.
Just my thoughts,
Jon
16 May 2001, 11:14 PM
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Rubbish! 
Every Scooby Ltd Edition has always held it's value better than std cars, and I can't see how that would change.
The RB5 will become rarer still as more of them end up at the breakers.
Just make sure if you get one you keep it in one piece!
Stef.
Every Scooby Ltd Edition has always held it's value better than std cars, and I can't see how that would change.
The RB5 will become rarer still as more of them end up at the breakers.
Just make sure if you get one you keep it in one piece!
Stef.
17 May 2001, 08:38 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by polarbearit:
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GaryC's prices may be UK retail, but a quick look at what specialist offer could save ££££
Buy a PPP for with the group buy,
Get some 17'' wheels and tyres for £700
Sell your wheels for £250 and then net cost is only £450.
Buy a big spoiler if you want, there are much cheaper options than £1k worth of prodrive spoiler. (say circa £500 for the scoobysport one, much less for many others).
And remeber you can sell your spoiler for £125
So PPP - £1700
Wheels - £450 (net)
Big Spolier - £375 (net)
Strut Brace - £75
So total for engine/exterior - £2600
If you want a retrim there is a company who do leather scooby retrims for £750.
Easy
Then other options you can add if you actually need them (eg PIAA's are only useful if you drive on very quiet roads in the dark!)
RB5 is a great car but in the long run may not be worth much more than a standard car.
Just my thoughts,
Jon[/quote]
You are off the track a fair bit here. 17" wheels and tyres for £700? any half decent rims will run to best part of £1000, 17" tyres will be £400+
PIAAs are THE best modification you can do to an impreza (after the SS back box). Don't knock then if you haven't tried them!
Adding everything in, your 'non-official' route will make the modded MY99 about £1000 less than the RB5. The enhanced resale/desirablility/etc etc is easily worth double!
<B>
GaryC's prices may be UK retail, but a quick look at what specialist offer could save ££££
Buy a PPP for with the group buy,
Get some 17'' wheels and tyres for £700
Sell your wheels for £250 and then net cost is only £450.
Buy a big spoiler if you want, there are much cheaper options than £1k worth of prodrive spoiler. (say circa £500 for the scoobysport one, much less for many others).
And remeber you can sell your spoiler for £125
So PPP - £1700
Wheels - £450 (net)
Big Spolier - £375 (net)
Strut Brace - £75
So total for engine/exterior - £2600
If you want a retrim there is a company who do leather scooby retrims for £750.
Easy
Then other options you can add if you actually need them (eg PIAA's are only useful if you drive on very quiet roads in the dark!)
RB5 is a great car but in the long run may not be worth much more than a standard car.
Just my thoughts,
Jon[/quote]
You are off the track a fair bit here. 17" wheels and tyres for £700? any half decent rims will run to best part of £1000, 17" tyres will be £400+
PIAAs are THE best modification you can do to an impreza (after the SS back box). Don't knock then if you haven't tried them!
Adding everything in, your 'non-official' route will make the modded MY99 about £1000 less than the RB5. The enhanced resale/desirablility/etc etc is easily worth double!
17 May 2001, 11:20 AM
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Tyres Northampton do 17" Stilauto SR500 with Toyo T1S tyres for circa £700, many other such deals are available, I know of one dealer who has Speedline 17" new @ £400 for 4! Main dealer take the p!ss!
It is true to say that it the RB5 will be worth more on future, but not £5k or £6k more, maybe £1k or £2k more in a year or so when values have settled. Just isn't true to say that limited editions hold there value better as they cost significatly more!!
Also great as driving lights are, I have had them on previous car, I very rarely ever got to use them, as most of them time I don't drive on traffic free roads at night!
Just an opinion though!!
Jon
[This message has been edited by polarbearit (edited 19 May 2001).]
It is true to say that it the RB5 will be worth more on future, but not £5k or £6k more, maybe £1k or £2k more in a year or so when values have settled. Just isn't true to say that limited editions hold there value better as they cost significatly more!!
Also great as driving lights are, I have had them on previous car, I very rarely ever got to use them, as most of them time I don't drive on traffic free roads at night!
Just an opinion though!!
Jon
[This message has been edited by polarbearit (edited 19 May 2001).]
17 May 2001, 02:52 PM
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RB5 WRSport For sale: Now have 1 week old baby.
27,000 Miles
Bump Steer
ScoobySport Downpipe
Pipercross Induction Kit
S02PP's 3000 Miles Old
£17,000
Realistic Price? Alloys Kerbed (Damaged by tyre fitters!!)
Price includes original full exhaust + MY 99 Spoiler +ECU + RB5 numberplate
[This message has been edited by Berkeley (edited 17 May 2001).]
27,000 Miles
Bump Steer
ScoobySport Downpipe
Pipercross Induction Kit
S02PP's 3000 Miles Old
£17,000
Realistic Price? Alloys Kerbed (Damaged by tyre fitters!!)
Price includes original full exhaust + MY 99 Spoiler +ECU + RB5 numberplate
[This message has been edited by Berkeley (edited 17 May 2001).]
18 May 2001, 10:39 PM
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Robertio, strangly enough I do work in that area but no it's not my RB5 you see parked there.Its usually my wife that drives it during the week while I have more humble transport for my work and only get to play with it at weekends!
19 May 2001, 02:10 PM
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Stef, GaryC,
Not trying to upset but just above there is an RB5 WR for £17k listed above, I believe they cost £27.5k new and the car has a couple of minor improvements too, so there is a car that has probably lost £11k (assuming that Berkeley gets near asking price).
So as I said earlier a £15k RB5WR is not far off.
Jon
Not trying to upset but just above there is an RB5 WR for £17k listed above, I believe they cost £27.5k new and the car has a couple of minor improvements too, so there is a car that has probably lost £11k (assuming that Berkeley gets near asking price).
So as I said earlier a £15k RB5WR is not far off.
Jon
19 May 2001, 04:35 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by polarbearit:
<B>Stef, GaryC,
Not trying to upset but just above there is an RB5 WR for £17k listed above, I believe they cost £27.5k new and the car has a couple of minor improvements too, so there is a car that has probably lost £11k (assuming that Berkeley gets near asking price).
So as I said earlier a £15k RB5WR is not far off.
Jon[/quote]
Yes but my MY99,PPP, 17" OZ, Aircon, PIAAs.....etc cost exactly the same as a RB5 WR when I bought it. I sold it 16 months later for 15k, and did well to get that So an older RB5 is for sale for 2k more - thats makes the RB5 a minimum of 2k better value, more probably upto 4k better value than an identical spec non-limited edition!! You have just proved our point!!
<B>Stef, GaryC,
Not trying to upset but just above there is an RB5 WR for £17k listed above, I believe they cost £27.5k new and the car has a couple of minor improvements too, so there is a car that has probably lost £11k (assuming that Berkeley gets near asking price).
So as I said earlier a £15k RB5WR is not far off.
Jon[/quote]
Yes but my MY99,PPP, 17" OZ, Aircon, PIAAs.....etc cost exactly the same as a RB5 WR when I bought it. I sold it 16 months later for 15k, and did well to get that
So an older RB5 is for sale for 2k more - thats makes the RB5 a minimum of 2k better value, more probably upto 4k better value than an identical spec non-limited edition!! You have just proved our point!!
22 May 2001, 08:33 AM
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I lost a lot of sleep last week ummming and erring about this and to cut a long story short I didn't go for it.
The RB5 is my favourite model especially in WR guise, however the main reason was money really, having taken a hit on the residuals of mine
I don't want to loose another chunk of cash. (I couldn't even go to the garage to look at it as I knew I'd want it!!) So the plan is a few chassis mods to mine and some 17"s and it will be rocking.
This type of thread is what makes the BBS so excellent.
Thanks to everyone who replied you've saved me a small fortune.
The RB5 is my favourite model especially in WR guise, however the main reason was money really, having taken a hit on the residuals of mine
I don't want to loose another chunk of cash. (I couldn't even go to the garage to look at it as I knew I'd want it!!) So the plan is a few chassis mods to mine and some 17"s and it will be rocking. This type of thread is what makes the BBS so excellent.
Thanks to everyone who replied you've saved me a small fortune.
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