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Old 10 May 2017, 01:46 PM
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Default Figures a little low after remap - advice please!

hi guys

i have a version 4 sti that i recently got remapped
it has alcatec ecu with turbo back exhaust - fuel pump and correct plugs and induction kit - basic mods
left it to my tuner who i have used many times and is top class
its a very hard rollin road to make good power but it made 297 bhp

on the same rollin road i had a version 5 type r make 330bhp with same mods only it had standard airbox and a power fc ecu

he said he cant get anymore out of it but its healthy engine - he said something is holding it back
the version 5 had slightly bigger turbo i think from mayby version 6 im not sure
would it be worth gettin slightly bigger turbo from later model?
i dont want a laggy turbo and would be happy with 330bhp again as im not after big power? is it worth changing top mount or is there much difference is them? dont really want front mount

any tips would be great

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Old 10 May 2017, 01:57 PM
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What boost did the car make ?
Old 10 May 2017, 01:58 PM
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both set at 1.4 bar
Old 10 May 2017, 02:49 PM
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The air temp, engine mileage, fuel, strapping, the CAIK, fuel pump delivery etc the list goes on, are reasons why you have different figures.

There is little difference between a VF29 and 30 with most maxing out at about 330 anyway. Perhaps an STI or WRX Newage intercooler would help a little. The STi and Type R's also have different gear ratio's.

Do you mean a decat turbo back? Did the V4 and 5 have different injectors

A look at the map may give us a bit more info.

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Don't version 5 have more aggressive cams so would get slightly more mapped. But as said above could be many reason why.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
The air temp, engine mileage, fuel, strapping, the CAIK, fuel pump delivery etc the list goes on, are reasons why you have different figures.

There is little difference between a VF29 and 30 with most maxing out at about 330 anyway. Perhaps an STI or WRX Newage intercooler would help a little. The STi and Type R's also have different gear ratio's.

Do you mean a decat turbo back? Did the V4 and 5 have different injectors

A look at the map may give us a bit more info.
both cars same kms , both very fresh factory built engines around 100kms
as i said the engine is healthy - quiet , no smoke etc

gear ratios are nothing to do with my bhp figures

yes course they are decatted

for some reason i think my type r had a vf35 but cant be sure
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Originally Posted by rudigtir
Don't version 5 have more aggressive cams so would get slightly more mapped. But as said above could be many reason why.
not going to gain you 30bhp

as said above
same rollin road - same mapper - same everything
Old 10 May 2017, 04:00 PM
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Could be any number of things, worn turbo, differences in the engines, are the heads the same, is the exhaust the same, etc etc

v4 and v5 heads are different arn't they? so expect that's the answer.
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17bhp from a remap is poor,even taking into account the ponies it will have lost with age,although it may have had a hard life so!?
Have you got any data logs from the remap?
Did the mapper suggest what was holding it back?
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Originally Posted by rudigtir
Don't version 5 have more aggressive cams so would get slightly more mapped. But as said above could be many reason why.
Originally Posted by Tidgy
Could be any number of things, worn turbo, differences in the engines, are the heads the same, is the exhaust the same, etc etc

v4 and v5 heads are different arn't they? so expect that's the answer.
Weren't v3/4 sti heads the best and most aggressive heads/cams of all GC8?
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its a very hard rollin road to make good power but it made 297 bhp

Please explain more? "Its a very hard rolling road to make good power" - why? Could condition of the rolling road, calibration or calculation settings be out?
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Originally Posted by ossett2k2
Weren't v3/4 sti heads the best and most aggressive heads/cams of all GC8?
ports are small arn't they though?
Old 12 May 2017, 08:52 AM
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can you try it with an airbox on, seems this is the only difference in mods between the 2 cars you mention ?
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My sons V4 sti made a little over 295 bhp with an esl ecu upgrade and map to Vpower.Car is standard with all cats in place.Limiting factor was purely down to the turbo running out of puff.VF24 if i remember right.
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Originally Posted by greylag
My sons V4 sti made a little over 295 bhp with an esl ecu upgrade and map to Vpower.Car is standard with all cats in place.Limiting factor was purely down to the turbo running out of puff.VF24 if i remember right.
got to the bottom of it and yes its the turbo thats the prob!

its what i suspected to be honest
easy fix! has great engine so knew it was a bolt on part issue
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My bug has seen a 40bhp difference on rolling road shootouts. Both done at Scoobyclinic, operated by the same guy but a 10 degree ambient temperature difference.
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Doesn't help we have 95 octane fuel in Ireland
Old 13 May 2017, 11:33 PM
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95 if your lucky, bring back E85 please Mr Maxol.




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