Discover

Hello I need help with valuing my car.
It's an 06 plate Impreza Hawkeye WRX 2.5 Turbo 4dr in WR blue.
The car has a healthy low 64,500 mileage with 4 owners before me and full service history + MOT until February 2017.

I might be putting it up for sale in a month or so but just want to make sure it's priced correctly.

The car is totally standard besides the following mods:
Toyosports decat downpipe
After market unsilenced/decat centre pipe (unsure of make)
Afterburner Ninja 2 back box
K&N panel filter
HKS ssqv bov
Tein S-Tech lowering springs
Xenon 6000k HID headlights
Privacy tints to rear quarter/windscreen
18x8.875 XXR 527 alloys coated in white
Brand new Uniroyal Rainsport 3 225/40/18 tyres all around
One key/fob

I have only owned the car for two months and it is perfectly sound. The only reason I might be putting it up for sale is simply because I would like an R33 GTR. A car I've always wanted ever since I was a child lol.
Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

BoozyDave

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it's got a k & n, decat and bov. Has it been mapped? by who? have you got a rolling road print out?

Discover

Hi,
No the car hasn't been mapped (yet)
I was thinking of getting it done but got distracted by two weddings this month.
Might get it done hopefully in April or May.
On that note: why are some buyers put off if the car has been mapped? Surely its a positive thing?

Brun

An decatted unmapped 2.5!!!!!!!!
Seriously, most in the know would probably give a 2.5 a wide berth. An unmapped 2.5 with a decat and bov would see the same people running for the hills!

Discover

I'm sorry, I didn't quiet understand your post?

ossett2k2

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Have you not read up on the 2.5 engine problems?
Plus decat without a remap is bad on any car let alone the 2.5 Subaru engine.
A remap with your mods will defiantly increase the value.

Discover

No I never knew anything about it.
Luckily the car is currently driven a mile or two to commute to work and back.
The decat downpipe was only fitted last week (with a future remap in mind)
I'll have a look into getting the car mapped within a few weeks then.
On that note: any reliable mappers I should be looking at?
Nearest around to me is Sheffield rolling road and scoobyclinic.

ossett2k2

iTrader: (9)

Andy Carr road maps from Richard Henry Motorsport in Bradford,and Pat Hepburn is at scoobyclinic(Think he's still there) who have a Dyno,both mappers have good reputations.

Dan_RA

You mean Pat "the Map" Herborn? 😉 Yes he is still resident at Clinic, baffling scrience with science on a daily basis lol

Get it mapped ASAP! Before u end up asking how much its worth in bits!

BoozyDave

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The air filter let's more air into the engine, the decat helps gasses get out but aren't monitored by the sensors that aren't fitted. So more air = running leaner = hotter temps = potential to melt/destroy internal components

The bov dumps an unknown quantity air out of the system after it has been calculated for by the MAF. Can cause poor running when changing gear.

The wrx engine has less failures than the sti, but I wouldn't chance it without a remap

Discover

I've asked a few people in the know and its not something they've heard of on this particular shape. (Not for one moment implying I won't be taking the advice given above)
I will be getting the car mapped within the next few weeks.
Back to the original question - still need to know what its worth?

dazsti72

The people you have spoken to are clearly not in the know.
As for what its worth in current state id say about £4500 would be fair..

Norman Dog

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+1
Not a good idea at all.

Seem to retail from around £6-8k, so I'd guess around the £5k mark for a private sale.

BoozyDave

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All the people that have replied here https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...-failures.html must be wrong then.

I suggest you reconsider who you think is 'in the know'. Just because they've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, (It's not their car/money at stake) I think you would rather us mention it before something goes wrong, rather than not reply and the worst happens. It could also put buyers off too. It's not like a hidden thread either, it's a sticky at the top of the page

Also, with a remap and a rolling road graph you will have a good selling point and should get £1k more than it would fetch now

Current state - £4k to £4.5k
With remap and graph - £5k to £6k

lordharding

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The people on the know
It's a 2.5
Read one of the biggest threads on scoobynet
Tic toc
Tic toc

I would say 4k if anyone is brace enough to tackle a 2.5 time bomb

Discover

Okay thanks for all the advice.
I never once implied anyone was wrong or giving incorrect information, its just a couple of tuners said they've not heard the issue before.
I will be getting the car mapped soon.
Cheers

ossett2k2

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Just a tip mate,when you choose a tuner/mapper then it would be wise to get it remapped by a mapper that has experience with subaru

Discover

Is there anyone around the Yorkshire area that you could recommended to map my car?
I was thinking about taking it to scoobyclinic but after reading about the pot hole incident I think I'd rather not.
I don't mind a bit of a travel as long as the job is done right.
Also finally, is it better road mapped or dyno mapped or both? If so, who does both?

Brun

I would think that Scoobyclinic will be the safest place in the country for a Scoob at the moment with all the bad press flying round. I wouldn't think twice about using them if I had another.
The road I'll always be the best place to map a car but how much difference it will make in the real world??????

BoozyDave

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The clinic is one of the safest places to take your car now.

One employee did something stupid, it doesn't mean the rest of the staff are idiots too. I think Kev is fitting a dashcam in each vehicle that his staff take out now too. It ensures staff are professional, stick to speed limits and drive sensibly. The videos will be stored and if someone complains or has an issue (speeding ticket), Kev will have the footage to review.

Pat is one of the best mappers in the game and does ecutek remaps (as well as syvecs, alcatec, etc), He has taught another employee to do open source remaps (I think the lad is called beef). If Pat didn't think he was capable to map to a high standard, Pat wouldn't let him. It's his name at risk as well as the clinics if someone has a complaint

Mapping on the rollers gets the map to a good standard, but it's advisable to have a good run on the road to see how it performs. On the road there are a wide variety of variables, gradients, air flow to the air filter and intercooler, temperature.

Discover

Can anyone explain why there is such a huge price difference between mappers??
Some charge £300, some £350 but scoobyclinic charge £660!!!

BoozyDave

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That's the difference in 'ecutec' and 'open source'
Ecutec is a big company that spend millions on R & D designing maps/limits. You have to pay £200 + VAT for the licence, then the cost of the remap on top. Most charge £550 + VAT

Open source is what it says. I could get hold of an open source map tonight and stick it on your car, it should be ok, but would be better if it could be adjusted 'tweeked' to suit your car/mileage/fuel. If your engine goes bang, oh well, it's not the mappers fault, you signed a disclaimer.
Most charge £300+, but some don't give you a reciept or charge VAT, they just shove the cash in their pocket and then you have no proof/guarantee

stipete75

A world of difference between a scooby and a 33 GTR. Get one now before prices start rocketing as the 32's are. A fairly descent mildly modded 450hp 33 GTR will set you back around 12k+
Most are starting to show their age now so body work checks are paramount, check the front suspension turret tops for rust, a design flaw on the 33 means water can get trapped and cause rust and pretty big repair bills.
Also check sills and boot pan are solid.
Check for crunching gears as worn synchro repairs are not cheap either.
Oil pressure should be around 7bar on cold start slowly lowering to around 3bar when warm, a failing oil pump will cost you your engine.
Unlike a scooby an R33 GTR with the right supporting mods will hit 500hp on 1bar boost with ease, steel internal tubbies are important for anything over 1.2bar as the ceramic internals on standard tubbies can get fragile and break on full chatter.

Discover

Thanks for the advice.
Is there a big difference between open source and ecu maps? I mean so many hundreds of scooby owners have used open source maps and have no problems to report, same with ecutek maps.
So is the ecutek map basically more reliable than open source?

Stipete75 I wish I was in a position to just go out and buy one lol but I would need to sell my scooby first and add quiet a bit more before I can afford an R33.

BoozyDave

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Some open source maps are just copies of ecutec maps, and some mappers do ecutec and open source, so they map the same either way, the only difference is if you have paid £240 for the ecutec licence or not

With ecutec they have a big company behind them, so if you have any issues the map can be investigated to find the issue.

I have only had open source maps in my 7 years of subarus and not had a problem. I have only used one mapper too (numerous times), so I can't comment from experience on other mappers

Discover

Okay man thanks for the advice.
Just need to find a mapper now, been trying to get hold of Andrew Carr but he seems too busy overloaded with work. Any other recommendations for a reputable mapper?

ditchmyster

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Pat @ Scoobyclinic is your man, he is without doubt one of the very best in the mapping business.

But hey, your car, your money.