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14 September 2014, 02:36 PM
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Silly question, but why is a aftermarket adjustable coilover called and promoted as a "coilover" when the original mc-pherson strut is a "coil over shock" arrangement that is exactly that....a coilover? 
(just without the adjustability)
Guess its something do with the yanks, like calling manifolds headers and calling petrol gas whilst also calling gas (like propane) gas as well. Fecking eejits.
What they should be called is "adjustable coil over shocks", or, in Tub's case; Knocky piles of shyte
(just without the adjustability)Guess its something do with the yanks, like calling manifolds headers and calling petrol gas whilst also calling gas (like propane) gas as well. Fecking eejits.
What they should be called is "adjustable coil over shocks", or, in Tub's case; Knocky piles of shyte
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14 September 2014, 02:42 PM
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Agreed, Ali. I've always thought that.
I guess you're right i.e. the slim spring types (without the large spring's bottom holding cups) and with the height adjustment, are considered 'coilovers'.
I guess you're right i.e. the slim spring types (without the large spring's bottom holding cups) and with the height adjustment, are considered 'coilovers'.
Last edited by joz8968; 14 September 2014 at 02:43 PM.
nearly as bad as those xxrs I had lol
14 September 2014, 03:11 PM
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My BCs bottom out (mainly the N/S/R) over 'deepish' potholes/ruts -- and I have the dampers on the softest settings all round (very similar to the OEM pink STi suspension stiffness). Any harder on the settings, and it'd be too much for everyday driving on UK roads, IMO.
To that end, I regret buying them. I also junked the std suspension at the time of fitment, to boot... Fail!
Never again will I replace OEM dampers/springs on an Impreza. On some of my other cars (mainly hot hatches), aftermarket suspension has transformed the car - by mainly dialling out lift-off oversteer. But IMO an Impreza used for fast road use, simply doesn't require its suspension changing.
A (painful to my wallet) lesson leart, I guess.
IMO.
P.S. Anyone got OEM STi V.5/6, or even P1 springs/dampers for sale?!
To that end, I regret buying them. I also junked the std suspension at the time of fitment, to boot... Fail!
Never again will I replace OEM dampers/springs on an Impreza. On some of my other cars (mainly hot hatches), aftermarket suspension has transformed the car - by mainly dialling out lift-off oversteer. But IMO an Impreza used for fast road use, simply doesn't require its suspension changing.
A (painful to my wallet) lesson leart, I guess.
IMO.
P.S. Anyone got OEM STi V.5/6, or even P1 springs/dampers for sale?!
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14 September 2014, 03:14 PM
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What are your chaps views on the meister r coilovers (the ones advertised on here) got a fair bit of body work to do/get done, eventually want coilovers or red sti shocks? At mo I've got very tired looking standard black shocks with tein springs very bumpy and on the verge of being uncomfortable,cars 97 wrx import
14 September 2014, 03:25 PM
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My BCs bottom out (mainly the N/S/R) over 'deepish' potholes/ruts -- and I have the dampers on the softest settings all round (very similar to the OEM pink STi suspension stiffness). Any harder on the settings, and it'd be too much for everyday driving on UK roads, IMO.
To that end, I regret buying them. I also junked the std suspension at the time of fitment, to boot... Fail!
Never again will I replace OEM dampers/springs on an Impreza. On some of my other cars (mainly hot hatches), aftermarket suspension has transformed the car - by mainly dialling out lift-off oversteer. But IMO an Impreza used for fast road use, simply doesn't require its suspension changing.
A (painful to my wallet) lesson leart, I guess.
IMO.
P.S. Anyone got OEM STi V.5/6, or even P1 springs/dampers for sale?!
To that end, I regret buying them. I also junked the std suspension at the time of fitment, to boot... Fail!
Never again will I replace OEM dampers/springs on an Impreza. On some of my other cars (mainly hot hatches), aftermarket suspension has transformed the car - by mainly dialling out lift-off oversteer. But IMO an Impreza used for fast road use, simply doesn't require its suspension changing.
A (painful to my wallet) lesson leart, I guess.
IMO.
P.S. Anyone got OEM STi V.5/6, or even P1 springs/dampers for sale?!
Pretty much spot on and my thoughts entirely, luckily i still have the OEM stuff,on a plus point they are easy to sell on like my xxrs where.
14 September 2014, 05:14 PM
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Whether you're better off with standard shocks and springs very much depends on the model year.
Subaru got the suspension wrong with the Hawkeye STi, Period. The primary ride was as you'd expect, but the secondary ride was awful; managing to be both bouncy AND crashy even with the PPP upgrade. Oh, and then you had the issue with the knocking rear shocks, which if you replaced them with OEM items would most likely just do it again.
With the Hawk STi the only real option was to go for coilovers. I went for BCs with comfort springs and they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the stock suspension and gave the car back some compliance and an acceptable secondary ride quality. I had no issues with them at all.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for though - I can't imagine the BCs being comparable in quality from something from Ohlins for example, but then not everyone has 2.5k to spend on suspension.
I always advise people to get a drive in a car fitted with suspension they're contemplating fitting over road surfaces representative of those on which they spend much of their time, as fitting coilovers to some models is a retrograde step for road driving and having the wrong suspension on a car ruins your enjoyment of it.
Subaru got the suspension wrong with the Hawkeye STi, Period. The primary ride was as you'd expect, but the secondary ride was awful; managing to be both bouncy AND crashy even with the PPP upgrade. Oh, and then you had the issue with the knocking rear shocks, which if you replaced them with OEM items would most likely just do it again.
With the Hawk STi the only real option was to go for coilovers. I went for BCs with comfort springs and they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the stock suspension and gave the car back some compliance and an acceptable secondary ride quality. I had no issues with them at all.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for though - I can't imagine the BCs being comparable in quality from something from Ohlins for example, but then not everyone has 2.5k to spend on suspension.
I always advise people to get a drive in a car fitted with suspension they're contemplating fitting over road surfaces representative of those on which they spend much of their time, as fitting coilovers to some models is a retrograde step for road driving and having the wrong suspension on a car ruins your enjoyment of it.
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14 September 2014, 05:17 PM
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Whether you're better off with standard shocks and springs very much depends on the model year.
Subaru got the suspension wrong with the Hawkeye STi, Period. The primary ride was as you'd expect, but the secondary ride was awful; managing to be both bouncy AND crashy even with the PPP upgrade. Oh, and then you had the issue with the knocking rear shocks, which if you replaced them with OEM items would most likely just do it again.
With the Hawk STi the only real option was to go for coilovers. I went for BCs with comfort springs and they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the stock suspension and gave the car back some compliance and an acceptable secondary ride quality. I had no issues with them at all.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for though - I can't imagine the BCs being comparable in quality from something from Ohlins for example, but then not everyone has 2.5k to spend on suspension.
I always advise people to get a drive in a car fitted with suspension they're contemplating fitting over road surfaces representative of those on which they spend much of their time, as fitting coilovers to some models is a retrograde step for road driving and having the wrong suspension on a car ruins your enjoyment of it.
Subaru got the suspension wrong with the Hawkeye STi, Period. The primary ride was as you'd expect, but the secondary ride was awful; managing to be both bouncy AND crashy even with the PPP upgrade. Oh, and then you had the issue with the knocking rear shocks, which if you replaced them with OEM items would most likely just do it again.
With the Hawk STi the only real option was to go for coilovers. I went for BCs with comfort springs and they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the stock suspension and gave the car back some compliance and an acceptable secondary ride quality. I had no issues with them at all.
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for though - I can't imagine the BCs being comparable in quality from something from Ohlins for example, but then not everyone has 2.5k to spend on suspension.
I always advise people to get a drive in a car fitted with suspension they're contemplating fitting over road surfaces representative of those on which they spend much of their time, as fitting coilovers to some models is a retrograde step for road driving and having the wrong suspension on a car ruins your enjoyment of it.
14 September 2014, 06:06 PM
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There is nothing wrong with the Hawkeye OEM setup. My car feels great and I've spent time on fitting choice handling parts to ensure that.
14 September 2014, 06:18 PM
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I found the Hawk STi's set up intolerable!