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Old 29 April 2014, 08:43 PM
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hi guys!! newbie here!!!
having a mare with my import sti classic,
i replaced the entire longblock for a sti rebuilt unit,
i swapped all my sti components over, including inlet and sensors,
on starting it after rebuild it fired then died? i have a spark, and i have fuel, compression is good, i have seen these syptoms before on here but nothing that really helps, i have checked my sump and the oil is petro:l saturated,
if i leave it a day it fires again and dies instantly. , really confusing as the car ran fine before the engine swap, i have checked the belt, all good, , can anybody shed any light on this please, i would really appreciate some help with this nitemare!! thanks chris

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Old 29 April 2014, 08:53 PM
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Did you use new injector seals?
Old 29 April 2014, 09:02 PM
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no i didnt, would that cause the problem im having. ie flooding and non start?
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the seals i had were in very good condition and squeeze,d up really tight,
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are your injector plugs in correct order
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Well I swapped my inlet and had running issues.
Here's what I found....

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If your sump is full of fuel then that fuel is getting in from somewhere.
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plugs are the right way round, ive checked everything that i can think of, , the fuel in my sump, is from constant cranking and not firing, the chap i got the engine from confirms it is sound, he said he thinks my injectors are stuck open!! but i dont see how or why that would be the case, anybody ?!!

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Old 30 April 2014, 10:03 AM
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unbolt the inlet manifold, lift it up as much as you can side and switch the ignition on, if you have an iffy seal the fuel will pour out.
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thanks, ill give it a go,
Old 30 April 2014, 10:45 AM
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I reused my seals and thought they were fine but they weren't. If it is the seals theres a chap who sells them on eBay, not OEM, not ideal but if you phone round for some prices you might have a heart attack. I'll put a link up when I'm home.
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cheers for that KWIK, did yours have the non start problem like mine?
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Hang on. Are you saying you are using a wrx engine with the sti ecu. The cams are different for a start plus injectors are bigger on sti than wrx. You will need the wrx injectors and ecu .I am not sure if you can fit the sti cams without the sti valves,springs and followers if you wanted to use the sti ecu and injectors
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Originally Posted by stedee
Hang on. Are you saying you are using a wrx engine with the sti ecu. The cams are different for a start plus injectors are bigger on sti than wrx. You will need the wrx injectors and ecu .I am not sure if you can fit the sti cams without the sti valves,springs and followers if you wanted to use the sti ecu and injectors
cheers, i was just about to ask that, i just unplugged my injectors and it fired up after a couple of cranks, first time , was just going to say should i swap the injectors for the wrx ones, the sti ones i have in are yellow, and the wrx are black, as for the ecu, i was told it would run fin as the heads on the new engine were re worked!! do you think its just the injectors causing over fuelling then?
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If you just want it running fit the wrx injectors and get the wrx ecu. sti and wrx head castings are the same. Sti valves are different to work with the different lifters that allow the sti engine to rev to 8500. Also the cams have a more aggressive profile. If it was me I would use the wrx ecu and salvage your sti heads if you can and fit them at a later date . its a shame really to have a wrx engine in an sti. The main difference is the head running gear and stronger pistons
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Its both the injectors and the ecu in answer to your last question.
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BTW the heads reworked doesn't mean much and won't help I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted by stedee
If you just want it running fit the wrx injectors and get the wrx ecu. sti and wrx head castings are the same. Sti valves are different to work with the different lifters that allow the sti engine to rev to 8500. Also the cams have a more aggressive profile. If it was me I would use the wrx ecu and salvage your sti heads if you can and fit them at a later date . its a shame really to have a wrx engine in an sti. The main difference is the head running gear and stronger pistons
i agree , but the engine i bought was running 310 bhp in the car it was removed from, and it has been rebuilt with forged parts too, , i will be getting an sti engine for it eventually, the chap i got the lump from assured me it would run on my sti parts with no problem, he was wrong i guess , lol, thanks for your input though, i do still have my sti engine here,
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Originally Posted by stedee
Hang on. Are you saying you are using a wrx engine with the sti ecu. The cams are different for a start plus injectors are bigger on sti than wrx. You will need the wrx injectors and ecu .I am not sure if you can fit the sti cams without the sti valves,springs and followers if you wanted to use the sti ecu and injectors
Good point, I'd bet the timing is different between the 2.
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will the wrx ecu plug straight in to my sti?
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The sti heads are of value. They are well engineered and can be run to 600hp. Stick the heads on and you can run the sti ecu and injectors. Your wrx heads won't be the same spec hence will not run properly even if they have been ported, bigger valves etc which I doubt tbh. Are you sure its forged BTW. Trust no one I've been had myself in the past.a wrx engine should run about 330hp when mapped. Sti engine can do 400hp but your box might explode lol
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Yes as long as its v3 or v4 . I'm not sure if there are any differences in a v3/4 wrx engine though
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The other way is buying an ESL daughter board and getting it mapped. You will be able to use the 440 sti injectors then
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WRX longblock will run fine with STI ecu and injectors in an STI. This is not your problem. The ecu you have is mapped for the 440's. It may not be ideal but will run and drive fine

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Originally Posted by stedee
The sti heads are of value. They are well engineered and can be run to 600hp. Stick the heads on and you can run the sti ecu and injectors. Your wrx heads won't be the same spec hence will not run properly even if they have been ported, bigger valves etc which I doubt tbh. Are you sure its forged BTW. Trust no one I've been had myself in the past.a wrx engine should run about 330hp when mapped. Sti engine can do 400hp but your box might explode lol
On my phone BTW that'd why my answers might be disjointed
thats cool mate no probs, lol,
for now i think ill take the wrx ecu route until a later date, i would be happy with getting it mapped ,as it would still bring the power up over the standard 280 bhp i was getting, the wife would moan like hell if i were to run much more power than that, shes scared of it as it is, lol, i really appreciate your input on this, just need to locate an ecu now, and make sure i get the right one,
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i just want to get it running for now as i have my eyes on an sti engine in the future, so wrx will do for now, thanks all for replies,
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I'd still say check your injector seals....



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i have, mine are fine, i unplugged the injectors on mine today and started it up, it ran on easy start straight away, defo overfuelling, cheers though KWIK,
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just found an ecu from an imported wrx gen 3, 98 model, 3 plug like mine, and the numbers are almost identical in both the serials, apart from the last 2 digits, . do you think that would be ok? mine is a 6s, and the wrx one is an 8s,

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8S is from a uk turbo and will be immobilised.
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8S is from a uk turbo and will be immobilised.
OH? it said on the listing import. damn, im gonna struggle with this one. lol, i can see me buying shed loads of ecu,s and none working, all i know is mine is a 3 plug yellow 6s,

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