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Old 07 April 2014, 05:38 PM
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Hi guys and gals.

What is it that makes the chattering noise or fluttering as it's sometimes called?
Old 07 April 2014, 05:42 PM
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Think it's the induction kit but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Old 07 April 2014, 05:57 PM
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blanking off the dump valve
Old 07 April 2014, 05:59 PM
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Blanking off the dump valve!!! But it will run like a bag of **** unless you get it mapped and run mafless!!
Old 07 April 2014, 06:01 PM
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Don't you get the flutter sound with a standard re-circ valve?
Old 07 April 2014, 06:25 PM
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Its the air rushing back past the turbo and the turbo fins cutting through it when the recirc valve is blanked off.
Old 07 April 2014, 06:44 PM
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That pesky search button must be playing up again.

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Old 07 April 2014, 07:00 PM
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Its called wastegate chatter or turbo stall.
Old 07 April 2014, 07:19 PM
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My search button is fine you wanna borrow it???
So we are not entirely sure what it could be?
Old 07 April 2014, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gazzawrx
Its called wastegate chatter or turbo stall.
+1 sounds great but can make the turbo life shorter..
Old 07 April 2014, 07:26 PM
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As said take off your bump valve and blank it and you will get the chatter not good on some turbos.Its what gazzawrx has told you.
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So it's a blend between wastegate chatter and turbo stall ie air going back into the blades?
I assume as said this can shorten the life of the turbo?
Old 07 April 2014, 07:45 PM
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not if you have a strong enough turbo pal
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Originally Posted by mez68
So it's a blend between wastegate chatter and turbo stall ie air going back into the blades?
I assume as said this can shorten the life of the turbo?
Do you know what a waste gate does? Clue is on the name.
Old 07 April 2014, 09:17 PM
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mine chatterd at low revs , and BOV vented when i was pushing a bit harder. Had a DV and induction kit fitted. Recently removed the DV and replaced it with a standard recirculating valve and now i dont get any noises at all.
Old 07 April 2014, 09:40 PM
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The fluttering/chattering is the wastegate opening and closing on its spring loaded seat. Its there to prevent too much boost being created and damaging the engine - a relief valve in effect
Old 07 April 2014, 10:15 PM
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As everyone is saying it is air passing the wrong way over the turbo. If you don't have your re-circ valve blanked then it is a sign the dump valve has failed. it needs repairing before your turbo eats itself.
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Right so it is a bad thing?
Reason i ask is so many people tell me it sounds great,but i would rather find
out what damage it causes.
I have a stock 53 plate bug eye that chatters ever so slightly and it was concerning me that it was causeing damage.
Old 08 April 2014, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mez68
Right so it is a bad thing?
Reason i ask is so many people tell me it sounds great,but i would rather find
out what damage it causes.
e.
Mmm

Listern to people, on here ( high posters )
Not people outside Mc Donald s

I'm sure the dump valve fans will be on late to discuss those nice noises they make
Old 08 April 2014, 03:32 PM
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Chap i'm 45 and in the army lol!!
I can't stand dump valves unless needed,always reminds me of a renault 5......
Old 08 April 2014, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
Mmm

Listern to people, on here ( high posters )
Not people outside Mc Donald s

I'm sure the dump valve fans will be on late to discuss those nice noises they make
"I like the tuna there"
Old 08 April 2014, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PODWRX2
The fluttering/chattering is the wastegate opening and closing on its spring loaded seat. Its there to prevent too much boost being created and damaging the engine - a relief valve in effect

WRONG.

It is the compressed air meeting the shut throttle body butterfly and been forced back through the compressor housing and out of the air filter thus trying to turn the turbo the wrong way.

It has nothing to do with the waste gate it doesn't even go through the exhaust housing. It also will not stall or stop the turbo, it will just slow it down a bit.

Wastegates are used for controlling the boost, but they make 0 noise UNLESS installed externally from the turbo(all standard scooby turbos have internal wastegates) an external wastegate goes to a "screamer" pipe and you'll never guess what sound that makes?!?! (Hint - its not chatter or flutter)

I have ran DVless on most of my cars and found no ill effects to be honest. It might **** your turbo, but it might not, you just take your chances, it has never bothered me.
Old 08 April 2014, 04:15 PM
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Not all external wastegates go to a screamer pipe !
Old 08 April 2014, 05:12 PM
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I was making it easier for clarification of the noise that they make. I am well aware you can plumb them back into the exhaust, albeit you do loose some efficiency from this method as trying to join the two pipes in a smooth flow is hard.
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
WRONG.

It is the compressed air meeting the shut throttle body butterfly and been forced back through the compressor housing and out of the air filter thus trying to turn the turbo the wrong way.

It has nothing to do with the waste gate it doesn't even go through the exhaust housing. It also will not stall or stop the turbo, it will just slow it down a bit.

Wastegates are used for controlling the boost, but they make 0 noise UNLESS installed externally from the turbo(all standard scooby turbos have internal wastegates) an external wastegate goes to a "screamer" pipe and you'll never guess what sound that makes?!?! (Hint - its not chatter or flutter)

I have ran DVless on most of my cars and found no ill effects to be honest. It might **** your turbo, but it might not, you just take your chances, it has never bothered me.
Did you get your dump valve-less mapped in??? and was you running mafless?? Only driven 1 car which was dump valve-less and it didnt drive to well at all(sounded good) but was on the standard ecu running MAF etc!!!
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The car is stock no engine mods what so ever.
All the old girl has is an pro drive exhaust de cat and turbo down pipe.
Previous owner says 320bhp!!!!!
Old 09 April 2014, 03:55 PM
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Does it have an after market dump valve?
Old 10 April 2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
Did you get your dump valve-less mapped in??? and was you running mafless?? Only driven 1 car which was dump valve-less and it didnt drive to well at all(sounded good) but was on the standard ecu running MAF etc!!!
Yes it is done properly. 2.1bar mafless alkatek ettc
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No after market dump valve Romford boy,but it is noisey as in whistles?
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