Focus Cosworth
08 November 2012, 03:02 PM
#2
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hehe your biased you ST owner you.
Looks nice, shame Cosworth is up for sale, as its a special name id hope we keep.
330 doesn't really seem much consid the RS, id have liked to see 400 and 4WD, then I might get my book out.
does look nice though
Looks nice, shame Cosworth is up for sale, as its a special name id hope we keep.
330 doesn't really seem much consid the RS, id have liked to see 400 and 4WD, then I might get my book out.
does look nice though
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11 November 2012, 01:31 PM
#11
As far as looks go, Subaru's are not the best looking cars in the world,
I bought mine power, performance value for money,
If Ford was to produce a 4WD Focus Cosworth, My name would be on the list straight away, but they insist FWD is good enough,
Bez
11 November 2012, 06:06 PM
#14
Bit of a fugly thing.
Although if it were AWD then I'd happily ignore that (as countless scoob owers have done so for the past decade
)
But its will probably be FWD which with that amount BHP is pretty pointless on anything but a smooth bone dry road, yawn....so not really a fast road car is it and therefore pretty pointless to carry the cossie moniker. Also another inline 4-pot turbo, I mean nobody can deny the 5pot sounded superb. The 'ecoboost' 4pot just drones.
Although if it were AWD then I'd happily ignore that (as countless scoob owers have done so for the past decade
)But its will probably be FWD which with that amount BHP is pretty pointless on anything but a smooth bone dry road, yawn....so not really a fast road car is it and therefore pretty pointless to carry the cossie moniker. Also another inline 4-pot turbo, I mean nobody can deny the 5pot sounded superb. The 'ecoboost' 4pot just drones.
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11 November 2012, 06:19 PM
#15
OK its a haldex unit, but the latest generation of this system is not to be sniffed at and certainly better than FWD.
I always said that the second gen onwards Focus was designed with AWD in mind.... there is a shed load of space around the centre of the rear subframe fior a diff, and the tunnel which the exhaust runs along looks suspiciously like a propshaft tunnel. The current shape focus is not really any different as its still a C-platform car and still pretty similar underneath to the old shape Focus.
In the end of the day Ford hasn't got the ***** to make a AWD performance car. Much like BMW don't have the ***** to make a RHD version of the M135i X-drive.
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11 November 2012, 06:40 PM
#17
I wonder how many guys in there 40s on here used to be or owned performance Fords
MK1 Escorts
MK2 Escorts
Capri
Siarra 4X4
& what I think is the best 4X4 Ford ever made
The Escort Cosworth.
No I did Not Have one.
Yes Ali-B the C30 I saw that.
Bez
MK1 Escorts
MK2 Escorts
Capri
Siarra 4X4
& what I think is the best 4X4 Ford ever made
The Escort Cosworth.
No I did Not Have one.
Yes Ali-B the C30 I saw that.
Bez
11 November 2012, 08:29 PM
#19
I think the escort drives pretty similar to the 4x4 saph and if that's the case I'd probably **** myself these days. I remember, must have been 14 years ago I bought my first nissan pulsar gti-r. At the time, the car it replaced was a 4x4 saph cosworth. The gti-r was in a different league on the handling front and it didn't feel like I was about to die when lifting on sweeping bends. Then there was this weird feeling where I kept checking the temp gauge for no reason all of a sudden. When I went from the gti-r to the Impreza The step up in handling was a big jump again. If I took a couple of steps back at the time it'd have been shocking I'd imagine. I know they're classics now though but not sure I could deal with wiring probs and I can't help thinking spending £14k on an escort cosworth would be a let down. It miht be one of those cars for me that just stays a dream rather than a reality.
As for the Focus Cosworth, another fwd mass produced hatch with nos soul. Crappy sliding calipers robbed from a 4x4, FWD, a splash of fake carbon, plastic fantastic engine bay.. Oh, but it'll have a Cosworth badge!
Those of us that had Cosworths back in the day will relate nothing to a car like that with Cosworth! Unless Ford produce a 4wd turbo with nice brakes and other qualiy details it might as well just be a Focus Zetec S turbo.
Cosworth for me was that engine. What a buzz! At 18 I can still remember the excitement of my mate picking me up in a rwd Saphire cosworth. Sliding into those Raven leather Recaro seats, the spine tingling sound and feeling as it revved, a real emotive experience that made you sick with wanting to own one.
They'll never recapture those days.
I've driven the last Focus Rs and although it was fast the experience was about as emotive as a cardigan. Just nothing special about them and I can say with confidence that 'cosworth' focus will be the same! The original cosworth was an amazing car first and a badge second. That focus will having nothing but a badge.
12 November 2012, 11:23 PM
#22
No not true, I was meaning when running 400BHP 4WD as got to be the fasted way forward on a gravel road or a tight twisty Irish tarmac stage.
But 400BHP in a RWD cars would be big smiles all the time.
In a FWD you would just be waiting for it to grip all the time.
saying all that, some of them MK1 & MK2 escorts on rally's give all the other cars a good run for there money.
Some people like FWD
Bez
But 400BHP in a RWD cars would be big smiles all the time.
In a FWD you would just be waiting for it to grip all the time.
saying all that, some of them MK1 & MK2 escorts on rally's give all the other cars a good run for there money.
Some people like FWD
Bez
12 November 2012, 11:27 PM
#23
Well I'm not in my 40's.. But, I had rwd and 4x4 cosworths. Really wanted an escort back in the day. They've always been a lot dearer than the saphs though!
I think the escort drives pretty similar to the 4x4 saph and if that's the case I'd probably **** myself these days. I remember, must have been 14 years ago I bought my first nissan pulsar gti-r. At the time, the car it replaced was a 4x4 saph cosworth. The gti-r was in a different league on the handling front and it didn't feel like I was about to die when lifting on sweeping bends. Then there was this weird feeling where I kept checking the temp gauge for no reason all of a sudden. When I went from the gti-r to the Impreza The step up in handling was a big jump again. If I took a couple of steps back at the time it'd have been shocking I'd imagine. I know they're classics now though but not sure I could deal with wiring probs and I can't help thinking spending £14k on an escort cosworth would be a let down. It miht be one of those cars for me that just stays a dream rather than a reality.
As for the Focus Cosworth, another fwd mass produced hatch with nos soul. Crappy sliding calipers robbed from a 4x4, FWD, a splash of fake carbon, plastic fantastic engine bay.. Oh, but it'll have a Cosworth badge!
Those of us that had Cosworths back in the day will relate nothing to a car like that with Cosworth! Unless Ford produce a 4wd turbo with nice brakes and other qualiy details it might as well just be a Focus Zetec S turbo.
Cosworth for me was that engine. What a buzz! At 18 I can still remember the excitement of my mate picking me up in a rwd Saphire cosworth. Sliding into those Raven leather Recaro seats, the spine tingling sound and feeling as it revved, a real emotive experience that made you sick with wanting to own one.
They'll never recapture those days.
I've driven the last Focus Rs and although it was fast the experience was about as emotive as a cardigan. Just nothing special about them and I can say with confidence that 'cosworth' focus will be the same! The original cosworth was an amazing car first and a badge second. That focus will having nothing but a badge.
I think the escort drives pretty similar to the 4x4 saph and if that's the case I'd probably **** myself these days. I remember, must have been 14 years ago I bought my first nissan pulsar gti-r. At the time, the car it replaced was a 4x4 saph cosworth. The gti-r was in a different league on the handling front and it didn't feel like I was about to die when lifting on sweeping bends. Then there was this weird feeling where I kept checking the temp gauge for no reason all of a sudden. When I went from the gti-r to the Impreza The step up in handling was a big jump again. If I took a couple of steps back at the time it'd have been shocking I'd imagine. I know they're classics now though but not sure I could deal with wiring probs and I can't help thinking spending £14k on an escort cosworth would be a let down. It miht be one of those cars for me that just stays a dream rather than a reality.
As for the Focus Cosworth, another fwd mass produced hatch with nos soul. Crappy sliding calipers robbed from a 4x4, FWD, a splash of fake carbon, plastic fantastic engine bay.. Oh, but it'll have a Cosworth badge!
Those of us that had Cosworths back in the day will relate nothing to a car like that with Cosworth! Unless Ford produce a 4wd turbo with nice brakes and other qualiy details it might as well just be a Focus Zetec S turbo.
Cosworth for me was that engine. What a buzz! At 18 I can still remember the excitement of my mate picking me up in a rwd Saphire cosworth. Sliding into those Raven leather Recaro seats, the spine tingling sound and feeling as it revved, a real emotive experience that made you sick with wanting to own one.
They'll never recapture those days.
I've driven the last Focus Rs and although it was fast the experience was about as emotive as a cardigan. Just nothing special about them and I can say with confidence that 'cosworth' focus will be the same! The original cosworth was an amazing car first and a badge second. That focus will having nothing but a badge.
I would love to have a go in a RS2000 just to scare myself, i could imagine them been very very different to what I remember.
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12 November 2012, 11:46 PM
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Back in the day the Fords were quick,I bought my 1st 2000 turbo (a98) in 1999 ,because it was much better than the Escort.Although it never kept its value so well eh lol
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I must be getting old as all recent new cars have what seems a universal front end, they all look the same. New cars apart from proper exotica excite me as much as watching Anne Robinson get undressed, yup no Interest at all.
And why more power through the front wheels, with really good development they can be ok in BONE dry conditions with no dips and unsettljng potholes , go down a greasy wet road which in the UK is 90% of the time and you just get so unbelievably frustrated with the traction control ****ting itself trying to find some grip.
An engineering equivalent to the chocolate fire-guard!!!
And why more power through the front wheels, with really good development they can be ok in BONE dry conditions with no dips and unsettljng potholes , go down a greasy wet road which in the UK is 90% of the time and you just get so unbelievably frustrated with the traction control ****ting itself trying to find some grip.
An engineering equivalent to the chocolate fire-guard!!!
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