Which track toy?.
26 October 2012, 08:02 PM
#1
Which track toy?.
If you had about a £1k to spend on a car with plans to turn into a track car what would you choose?
Most bhp, best chassis, nimble, light and good round corners.
Contenders=
Saxo vts
106 gti/rallye
205 gti
Clio cup 172/182
Civic vti
Crx vtec
Etc.....
Most bhp, best chassis, nimble, light and good round corners.
Contenders=
Saxo vts
106 gti/rallye
205 gti
Clio cup 172/182
Civic vti
Crx vtec
Etc.....
26 October 2012, 10:51 PM
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This is the idea gaz and also has the most hp but bit tricky to find one at £1k but doable, don't want to spend loads on one, cheap buy, no mot or tax as it will be off rd only and then put a bit of money towards it for upgrades etc, then thrash it and not bother if it gets fecked, just fix whenever as still got road car.
26 October 2012, 10:56 PM
#7
Think there a bit lardy compared to rivals if you know what I mean
Something small and nimble,
When I was last at Caldwell there was a few small cars there and Blymey they were quick round the bends but on straight a bit slow, just want to have some fun lol.
Anyone seen that planet saxo car?
Something small and nimble,
When I was last at Caldwell there was a few small cars there and Blymey they were quick round the bends but on straight a bit slow, just want to have some fun lol.
Anyone seen that planet saxo car?
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26 October 2012, 10:58 PM
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Think there a bit lardy compared to rivals if you know what I mean
Something small and nimble,
When I was last at Caldwell there was a few small cars there and Blymey they were quick round the bends but on straight a bit slow, just want to have some fun lol.
Anyone seen that planet saxo car?
Something small and nimble,
When I was last at Caldwell there was a few small cars there and Blymey they were quick round the bends but on straight a bit slow, just want to have some fun lol.
Anyone seen that planet saxo car?
27 October 2012, 12:53 AM
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Is the 1k budget for car only or to include tuning the setup also as this changes what your options are.
You should check out pistonheads as they have a section for track cars you could buy one ready done saying you money if you were planning on tuning it.
What are you after from a track day? Do you want something that will go effing quick round corners or go thundering down the straights? My choice is always hoing quick in corners for track much more fun and brilliant when you out corner a porsche etc. Unless you plan to buy the previously mentioned mx-5 and slide it round corners. Haha
The clio 172/182 is a very good option straight out the box a civic would be my prefered choice I think jap cars are better but you would need to spend a little money on setup first as they werent really made with track work in mind.
You should check out pistonheads as they have a section for track cars you could buy one ready done saying you money if you were planning on tuning it.
What are you after from a track day? Do you want something that will go effing quick round corners or go thundering down the straights? My choice is always hoing quick in corners for track much more fun and brilliant when you out corner a porsche etc. Unless you plan to buy the previously mentioned mx-5 and slide it round corners. Haha
The clio 172/182 is a very good option straight out the box a civic would be my prefered choice I think jap cars are better but you would need to spend a little money on setup first as they werent really made with track work in mind.
27 October 2012, 09:26 AM
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Is the 1k budget for car only or to include tuning the setup also as this changes what your options are.
You should check out pistonheads as they have a section for track cars you could buy one ready done saying you money if you were planning on tuning it.
What are you after from a track day? Do you want something that will go effing quick round corners or go thundering down the straights? My choice is always hoing quick in corners for track much more fun and brilliant when you out corner a porsche etc. Unless you plan to buy the previously mentioned mx-5 and slide it round corners. Haha
The clio 172/182 is a very good option straight out the box a civic would be my prefered choice I think jap cars are better but you would need to spend a little money on setup first as they werent really made with track work in mind.
You should check out pistonheads as they have a section for track cars you could buy one ready done saying you money if you were planning on tuning it.
What are you after from a track day? Do you want something that will go effing quick round corners or go thundering down the straights? My choice is always hoing quick in corners for track much more fun and brilliant when you out corner a porsche etc. Unless you plan to buy the previously mentioned mx-5 and slide it round corners. Haha
The clio 172/182 is a very good option straight out the box a civic would be my prefered choice I think jap cars are better but you would need to spend a little money on setup first as they werent really made with track work in mind.
In the clios what's the diffrence in the 172 sport and the 172 cup?
I thought about a cheap Honda crx and do a small turbo conversion
27 October 2012, 09:48 AM
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The 172 cup has a better chassis/suspension setup out the box you could have a lot of fun with one of those with little effort. They are lighter than the sport less sound deadfning no stereo well provided those options were ticked i think.
A Crx is an old ar now i like them but the clio is better straight away without spending money on it a turbo converstion is not going to be cheap for the crx.
I think you should not worry about making te car go faster but handle better as that will be more fun and rewarding.
Have you done trackdays before?
A Crx is an old ar now i like them but the clio is better straight away without spending money on it a turbo converstion is not going to be cheap for the crx.
I think you should not worry about making te car go faster but handle better as that will be more fun and rewarding.
Have you done trackdays before?
27 October 2012, 10:21 AM
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Im in a simmalr position (looking for a trackday toy) decided That I'll get most smiles per £ with a entry level Scooby. Go faster/handling parts are are more readily available and often cheaper than most other brands. The options are almost infinite with an imprezza.
I was originally thinking along the lines of golf vr6, escort rs2000 mk6, pug 205 etc but would I reckon I'll only end up throwing loads of money at it to make it faster!!
Check out the prices/ availability of upgrades etc for the car before you buy.
I was originally thinking along the lines of golf vr6, escort rs2000 mk6, pug 205 etc but would I reckon I'll only end up throwing loads of money at it to make it faster!!
Check out the prices/ availability of upgrades etc for the car before you buy.
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27 October 2012, 01:42 PM
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The 172 cup has a better chassis/suspension setup out the box you could have a lot of fun with one of those with little effort. They are lighter than the sport less sound deadfning no stereo well provided those options were ticked i think.
A Crx is an old ar now i like them but the clio is better straight away without spending money on it a turbo converstion is not going to be cheap for the crx.
I think you should not worry about making te car go faster but handle better as that will be more fun and rewarding.
Have you done trackdays before?
A Crx is an old ar now i like them but the clio is better straight away without spending money on it a turbo converstion is not going to be cheap for the crx.
I think you should not worry about making te car go faster but handle better as that will be more fun and rewarding.
Have you done trackdays before?
I'm gonna get rid of my Scooby and replace with a x5 or something for my towing vehicle.
Think the Clio is the best car out the box for the buck.
27 October 2012, 04:11 PM
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I borrowed the book by Michael Costin about racing and sportscar chassis design from the library and learned all about suspension geometry etc. It is out of print but the library might still have it. It tells you all you need to know to design your own racer and its suspension. Costin is the "COS" in Cosworth and is a very clever man.
I then bought an armful of mild steel tubing locally and built my own space frame sports racing car in my dad's garage. I taught myself how to weld with Nickel Bronze rod. I used square tubing because it is easier to work with and you also get a torsionally stiffer chassis. I used to go around the big racing teams in the middle of the week and buy bits like alloy uprights, wheels, coil damper units, steering rack, drive shafts etc for dirt cheap prices because they were surplus to their requirements.
I cobbled a body together and then built up my own 16 valve BDA 1300cc engine and a Hewland gearbox from s/h bits which I got from various racing firms. I was getting 180 BHP at 11,500 rpm from the engine and the roadholding turned out well. I could easily outcorner the works Lotus Europa. When I turbocharged the engine I was getting 265 BHP.
I had immeasurable fun from the car for about 11 years and I hear it is still being raced as an historic sports racer!
I had to do that on my RAF salary which was not all that good and virtually no sponsorship apart from the cost of fuel for a meeting.
I tell you this just to illustrate that it is possible but you have to be prepared to put your back into it.
I would not have missed it for anything!
Les
I then bought an armful of mild steel tubing locally and built my own space frame sports racing car in my dad's garage. I taught myself how to weld with Nickel Bronze rod. I used square tubing because it is easier to work with and you also get a torsionally stiffer chassis. I used to go around the big racing teams in the middle of the week and buy bits like alloy uprights, wheels, coil damper units, steering rack, drive shafts etc for dirt cheap prices because they were surplus to their requirements.
I cobbled a body together and then built up my own 16 valve BDA 1300cc engine and a Hewland gearbox from s/h bits which I got from various racing firms. I was getting 180 BHP at 11,500 rpm from the engine and the roadholding turned out well. I could easily outcorner the works Lotus Europa. When I turbocharged the engine I was getting 265 BHP.
I had immeasurable fun from the car for about 11 years and I hear it is still being raced as an historic sports racer!
I had to do that on my RAF salary which was not all that good and virtually no sponsorship apart from the cost of fuel for a meeting.
I tell you this just to illustrate that it is possible but you have to be prepared to put your back into it.
I would not have missed it for anything!
Les
28 October 2012, 08:43 AM
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You won't find a cheaper more reliable or fun track toy with proven upgrades available cheaply than an mx5.
Chassis, turbo, and supercharger all very available and relatively cheap by comparrison and it's rear wheel drive.
Loads of people all over the world track them and for good reason.
If my mate ever sells his twin turbo 1.6 it will be in my garage, but he loves it and will probably be buried in it.
You won't find a cheaper more reliable or fun track toy with proven upgrades available cheaply than an mx5.
Chassis, turbo, and supercharger all very available and relatively cheap by comparrison and it's rear wheel drive.
Loads of people all over the world track them and for good reason.
If my mate ever sells his twin turbo 1.6 it will be in my garage, but he loves it and will probably be buried in it.
28 October 2012, 11:18 AM
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The mx-5 is a very good option they are small snd light just like the clio. Possibly the same amount of tuning parts available for both as they both have a race series. You might even be able to find an ex race car for sale downside they will cost more than your budget however you wouldnt need to spend anything on them.
If you go down the regular mx-5 route as already mention the engine is bomb proof. Highest priority is to check the sills see if the have corrosion or if they have been welded and fixed. If they havent had the welding down thats a few hundred to get sorted, its gotta be done for strength and safety reasons.
New turbo/super charger conversions are around 5k fitted from the likes of BBR and are proven to be reliable and a decent setup giving brtween i think 220bhp and 250bhp which is plenty.
If you go down the regular mx-5 route as already mention the engine is bomb proof. Highest priority is to check the sills see if the have corrosion or if they have been welded and fixed. If they havent had the welding down thats a few hundred to get sorted, its gotta be done for strength and safety reasons.
New turbo/super charger conversions are around 5k fitted from the likes of BBR and are proven to be reliable and a decent setup giving brtween i think 220bhp and 250bhp which is plenty.
28 October 2012, 01:16 PM
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Thanks guys, I've been looking at the mx5s and I would want the 1.8 I belive they are 140 hp and the 1.6 are twin cam not sure about hp, but yeah a good road handling car too and the thought about a supercharger conversion or turbo lol, but don't want to go mental with money on upgrades etc, just enough like the coilovers, roll cage, slicks and few tweaks here and there and engine aswell over time, better trawl the mx5oc forums for ideas and costs. Must say don't like the look of them but you can't ignore the capabilities of them and honestly they look quite good lowered in black with good wide wheels and a rear lip boot spoiler and front splitter.
The clios, just want to know the advantages of the cup models as I've read only gives sports suspension (which I'll be changing to coilovers) Widetrack? (what does that intail, is it with suspension or wider chassis? And cotton seats instead of half leather(but interior will be stripped and buckets installed) and no headlight washers(don't care) and a bigger rear spoiler(nice but wouldn't be that hard to get one if needed).
So I'm just trying to determin if I need a cup version and what benefit am I getting as its going to be a track car, needs to be justified if I choose a cup over a normal one as the cup is slightly more although they can be found without tax n test and a few body dents etc.
The clios, just want to know the advantages of the cup models as I've read only gives sports suspension (which I'll be changing to coilovers) Widetrack? (what does that intail, is it with suspension or wider chassis? And cotton seats instead of half leather(but interior will be stripped and buckets installed) and no headlight washers(don't care) and a bigger rear spoiler(nice but wouldn't be that hard to get one if needed).
So I'm just trying to determin if I need a cup version and what benefit am I getting as its going to be a track car, needs to be justified if I choose a cup over a normal one as the cup is slightly more although they can be found without tax n test and a few body dents etc.