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Old 04 July 2012, 08:22 PM
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Question Need a diesel what should I get?

Can't justify that tax/fuel/insurance on my R32 as much as I love the car.

I said it would be the last performance car I got, and that is the case.

The most straight fwd thing to do would be to trade it for a Mk6 Golf TDI 2.0, but this isn't that satisfactory to me. I was thinking about trading it for a Tiguan but that would cost me a bit more.

I'm not interested in a bluemotion Golf as they apparently are dire to drive.

I am kind of stuck with VW I think as my R32 was from a dealer and I figure it is better for me to trade it back with a VW dealer, then at least I get a VW in warranty? What do you reckon?
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i have just bought a 59 plate mazda 6 sport 2.2d
not really a performance car, but looks sporty and has a lot of toys on it
Old 04 July 2012, 08:30 PM
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For ****s sake don't get a Civic diesel - you'll turn into Lewis.
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Originally Posted by zip106
For ****s sake don't get a Civic diesel - you'll turn into Lewis.
Honda are not on my radar, I've got an image to keep.

I'm not so keen on anything FWD really. The Golf's are nice though even though they are FWD.
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Originally Posted by zip106
For ****s sake don't get a Civic diesel - you'll turn into Lewis.


I have one of those.

But I also have my WRX with cocklink, dump valve, gauges etc

The capability of the Civic to turn you into him really isnt that strong
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Originally Posted by rossyboy


I have one of those.

But I also have my WRX with cocklink, dump valve, gauges etc

The capability of the Civic to turn you into him really isnt that strong
but has yours got a magnetic sump plug
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
but has yours got a magnetic sump plug
you got me there, no it hasnt. Maybe the Civic is a slow burner.
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how much is in the pot?

Personally, i'd go for a 120d or e46 330d and remap either of them - the 120d will return 50mpg combined and 0-60 in 7s and the 330d will do 0-60 in 6.0s and return 44mpg combined

they're not lightening quick but they are comfortable, reliable and rwd with plenty of torque and decent fuel economy

I test drove a bogo 120d with m-tech kit on it and it looked pretty smart and they're a hoot to drive for the economy

I do like my beemers though
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Originally Posted by rossyboy
you got me there, no it hasnt. Maybe the Civic is a slow burner.
Yeah slow alright.
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Leggy or Hatch Impreza Diesel ?
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Originally Posted by ...seamus...
how much is in the pot?

Personally, i'd go for a 120d or e46 330d and remap either of them - the 120d will return 50mpg combined and 0-60 in 7s and the 330d will do 0-60 in 6.0s and return 44mpg combined

they're not lightening quick but they are comfortable, reliable and rwd with plenty of torque and decent fuel economy

I test drove a bogo 120d with m-tech kit on it and it looked pretty smart and they're a hoot to drive for the economy

I do like my beemers though
Might be a bit too expensive for me. I need to trade it and so I think I'll be looking at cars that are 15-18k.

I'm worried I'll be raped if I trade in at a non VW place and a main BMW dealer won't want my Golf right?
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Fabia VRS?
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Yeah slow alright.
Not that bad actually. 0-60 in 8.3 is not that slow and the mid-range overtaking punch is pretty decent.

I looked at VAG stuff, but they're just so dull to look at both inside and out.

As for the 1 series :insert sick smiley here: Great cars otherwise.
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Yeah I suppose they are not that slow.

I'm being drawn to the bluemotion Golf. I can probably live with the utilitarian nature knowing for my penance I get an mpg better than 70 mpg and free road tax. Also will be a great reason to post on here and boast about my cheap motoring.
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£15 - £18k will buy you a very nice 123d coupe

123d
40k
£16k

http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classif...80dq?logcode=p

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E90/91/92 330d M Sport.
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It's so easy
Wrxd remapped
47-49mpg for short fast journeys
Awd
And they are great
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330d gets my vote. Just sold mine 54plate 330d m sport for another scoob.

Silky smooth power delivery, all the toys like sat nav/leather/digital tv, very comfy and really quick. Not any slower than my 280/285 scoob but returned 33mpg round town without even trying.

Cracking car mate.
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I had a golf tdi 59 plate hated it

Going Saab 93 Aero 180 tid ! 60 plate 6k miles loads toys and bargain price
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Not too keen on buying BMW's that are old and not from main dealers to be honest, due to plethora of gizmos and electronics to go wrong.
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I've had bm's for 15 years - only things that generally go wrong electronically are brake sensors, lambda sensors, door microswitch and airbag passenger occupancy sensor - all are cheap to fix and easily diy'd

in fact if I was going to have a moan it would be about suspension bushes - I was getting through a set every couple of years due to oversized rim disease and "spirited" driving
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Originally Posted by lordharding


It's so easy
Wrxd remapped
47-49mpg for short fast journeys
Awd
And they are great
Quick OT Q - what have you got that mapped to? Cheers
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Originally Posted by ...seamus...
I've had bm's for 15 years - only things that generally go wrong electronically are brake sensors, lambda sensors, door microswitch and airbag passenger occupancy sensor - all are cheap to fix and easily diy'd

in fact if I was going to have a moan it would be about suspension bushes - I was getting through a set every couple of years due to oversized rim disease and "spirited" driving
BMW diesels suffer from the swirl flap issue (very common)
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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
BMW diesels suffer from the swirl flap issue (very common)
you can blank the swirl flaps in 2 hours of work and about £30 in parts
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Originally Posted by bonesetter
Quick OT Q - what have you got that mapped to? Cheers
180bhp
Which works out at 400 nm torque

Think eco tec are taking them up to 200 now
In reality it is no different to my my2000 classic turbo in real performance
Which is standard 225 apart from decat and filter
Just have to slow down a bit more for he corners with a new age hatch
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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
BMW diesels suffer from the swirl flap issue (very common)
Also suffering from being nicked quite easily at the moment!

You'd think some peeps on here worked for BMW... hah.

The WRXd looks a nice AWD choice.

Really depends on what you want to do with the car, family bus, occasional load lugger etc.

5t.
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Swirl flap issue should have been addressed on anything post 2006 iirc.

There is no question, BMW 1 and 3 series diesels have the best engines in that size range out of all the manufacturers. They are also the best to drive.

BMW dealer no more or les likely to shaft you on trade in for your R32 than a VAG dealer, to be honest.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Can't justify that tax/fuel/insurance on my R32 as much as I love the car.

I said it would be the last performance car I got, and that is the case.

The most straight fwd thing to do would be to trade it for a Mk6 Golf TDI 2.0, but this isn't that satisfactory to me. I was thinking about trading it for a Tiguan but that would cost me a bit more.

I'm not interested in a bluemotion Golf as they apparently are dire to drive.

I am kind of stuck with VW I think as my R32 was from a dealer and I figure it is better for me to trade it back with a VW dealer, then at least I get a VW in warranty? What do you reckon?
I have a VW Tiguan 170TDI R-Line as my daily driver.

OK, it's not the quickest thing in the world, but it gets 40mpg (more on long runs or driven more sensibly) , is comfortable, has AWD, and VW Build quality.

It handles pretty well too. More like a car than a small SUV.
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I have a Audi A4 B7 TDI170 Avant and thats been great so far.

Whats your budget and what do you want - 4 doors, estate?
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Originally Posted by stilover
I have a VW Tiguan 170TDI R-Line as my daily driver.

OK, it's not the quickest thing in the world, but it gets 40mpg (more on long runs or driven more sensibly) , is comfortable, has AWD, and VW Build quality.

It handles pretty well too. More like a car than a small SUV.
I was thinking about a Tiguan but don't need it really, although they are nice.

I elected for a 2010 Golf 2.0 TDI match.

I drove a 1.6 bluemotion too but it was a bit austere, very hard to muster much enthusiasm for it. The 2.0 TDI has leather seats, touchscreen, nicer interior basically and more torque, should see 50 - 60 mpg and only £100 tax.


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