Playing with a P1 in my Bmw 3.0
30 August 2010, 12:27 PM
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Playing with a P1 in my Bmw 3.0
After selling my scooby to get a bmw back in february, i been waiting to play with a scooby, to see how my bmw compares.
On sunday i found a nice p1 wanting some fun, i followed him for about 5 miles down country roads, he couldnt lose me, he powered out of the corners better then me, (i need a LSD) only for me to catch him up
we ended up on a dual carriage, and i over took him after a ton.
This bmw is a wolf in sheeps clothing, with all the toys your ever need too, the perfect all rounder
On sunday i found a nice p1 wanting some fun, i followed him for about 5 miles down country roads, he couldnt lose me, he powered out of the corners better then me, (i need a LSD) only for me to catch him up
we ended up on a dual carriage, and i over took him after a ton.
This bmw is a wolf in sheeps clothing, with all the toys your ever need too, the perfect all rounder
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30 August 2010, 01:36 PM
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Curious to know exactly what model this is as well as my gut instinct is that your feat should be near impossible. My ST220 is roughly as quick when rolling as an e46 330i and there is no way in hell it could live with a P1. The P1 is easily 3 seconds faster from 60-100mph.
I am aware that BMW have continued to add power to the 3.0 straight 6, so maybe if this was a new car (i.e. new 3 series) where I guess they are now over the 265bhp I last remember them being up to?
I am aware that BMW have continued to add power to the 3.0 straight 6, so maybe if this was a new car (i.e. new 3 series) where I guess they are now over the 265bhp I last remember them being up to?
30 August 2010, 01:47 PM
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Maybe it's a Z4 with 265? They are light.
Saxo is right, in fact a mate and me experimented with the ST220 vs 330ci and found that the 60-100mph sees the ST having an advantage of between 0.5 and 1 sec, so it's def not an E46 we're talking about here.
Saxo is right, in fact a mate and me experimented with the ST220 vs 330ci and found that the 60-100mph sees the ST having an advantage of between 0.5 and 1 sec, so it's def not an E46 we're talking about here.
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31 August 2010, 08:02 AM
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I would have thought the beemer would be a tad faster in a straight line once moving. Probably not much in it until stupid speeds.
Following someone on B roads is a lot easier than being in front. It basically boils down to how reckless the leading car wants to be.
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Following someone on B roads is a lot easier than being in front. It basically boils down to how reckless the leading car wants to be.
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31 August 2010, 11:29 AM
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335i is an amazing car, and when tuned quite hilarious indeed, in the dry. I test drove one the same day as a GTR and was about £150 away from getting a deal done - on the 335i. I think I would have been very happy with it. Amazing engine, love the autobox, low road tax if you get a <225g/CO2 model, great economy. I would definitely buy one if they did the 4WD model in right hand drive, just some better pads and a tune to about 380 BHP, virtually my perfect car.
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31 August 2010, 12:07 PM
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This thread just goes to show how good the Subaru is. It shows that a simple 10 year-old P1 worth about 6 -8k can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i and will only really lose out on long straights or at licence-losing speeds of over 100 mph.
Probably not as comfortable, mind.
Probably not as comfortable, mind.
31 August 2010, 06:21 PM
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thanks mate, its a 6 speeder,
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
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31 August 2010, 06:28 PM
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if ever im having a 'play' with someone i generally start to back off if we get to triple figures.....Id rather them believe they have beat me than me potentially causing an accident or losing my license!!
31 August 2010, 06:36 PM
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thanks mate, its a 6 speeder,
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
31 August 2010, 07:50 PM
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thanks mate, its a 6 speeder,
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
turbo2,(can out-corner the current computerized 36k BMW 335i )
Put the 335i on a track, it will out -corner a P1
P1 BHP 276 / 260 lb.ft = 213 bhp ATW 200 lb.ft ATW
BMW 335I VP BHP 330 / 300 lb.ft = 281 bhp ATW 255 lb.ft ATW
ONLY one winner
The 335i does look to be a superb car, not far off the e46 M3!
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31 August 2010, 08:00 PM
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I would imagine a lot P1's & Type R's have got stage 1 mods/remap just to keep them running healthy & are probably running closer to 300bhp/300ft/lbs such as my Ver6 TypeR. The Type R/P1 weighs approx 1250kg & the 335i 1750kg, so even with DMS mapped 380bhp 335i, the P1 would be faster. (Upto approx 100mph anway IMO)
31 August 2010, 08:05 PM
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Lol, no chance. A DMS remapped would rape a P1 (even 300bhp one) at anything other than a dig. For a start a 380bhp 335i walks away effortlessly from an e46 M3.
31 August 2010, 08:12 PM
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The power to weight ratio is still in favour of the 300bhp P1, even with a DMS chipped BMW. I hesitate to use the word "Remap" as thats hardly what DMS do, I know as my mate has his 330d done by them. They came round with their laptop to his work, uploaded the map & in 30mins were gone with over £600 in their pocket! We both have 330d's & straight onto the motorway & there was almost nothing in it between my std 330d and his. 2 years later his auto box disintegrated itself quite literally 
31 August 2010, 08:42 PM
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There is a lot more to these things than simple power to weight though.
By way of comparison my mate has a e46 M3 and another mate has a 330bhp STi-4 (30bhp more than you specified). There is hardly anything in it from 30-130mph, although the Subaru is fractionally faster from 100-30mph (I know, you'd think it would be the other way around!!).
This is a remapped 335i vs an e46 M3 and it effortlessly walks away. It would walk away as easily from even a 330bhp P1/STI so 330bhp or stock wouldn't have a hope I'm afraid.
Also, letstorquebhp estimates a 300hp P1 at 7.13s from 60-100mph and capable of a 13.04s pass at 1.6.61mph. A 380hp 335i is 5.91s 60-100mph, 13 dead across the 1/4 mile with a much higher 110.28mph trap speed.
Out of curiousity I figured a 330hp P1. It is quicker by 0.4 of a second down the strip (4WD) and matches the 110mph trap speed but it still falls 0.5 seconds short on 60-100mph acceleration.
Cliff Notes: 335i (remap) = beast
By way of comparison my mate has a e46 M3 and another mate has a 330bhp STi-4 (30bhp more than you specified). There is hardly anything in it from 30-130mph, although the Subaru is fractionally faster from 100-30mph (I know, you'd think it would be the other way around!!).
This is a remapped 335i vs an e46 M3 and it effortlessly walks away. It would walk away as easily from even a 330bhp P1/STI so 330bhp or stock wouldn't have a hope I'm afraid.
Also, letstorquebhp estimates a 300hp P1 at 7.13s from 60-100mph and capable of a 13.04s pass at 1.6.61mph. A 380hp 335i is 5.91s 60-100mph, 13 dead across the 1/4 mile with a much higher 110.28mph trap speed.
Out of curiousity I figured a 330hp P1. It is quicker by 0.4 of a second down the strip (4WD) and matches the 110mph trap speed but it still falls 0.5 seconds short on 60-100mph acceleration.
Cliff Notes: 335i (remap) = beast
31 August 2010, 08:55 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3YwyNv5zwk
Its a bit of difficult one to call I think. Iv anhialted a few E46 M3's in my Type R, so I wonder what chance a std 335i would have??
Its a bit of difficult one to call I think. Iv anhialted a few E46 M3's in my Type R, so I wonder what chance a std 335i would have??
31 August 2010, 09:34 PM
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Edit - late to the party albeit still relevant IMHO
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31 August 2010, 10:12 PM
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What power is your type R running though ricky? IMHO to beat an M3 it'll need over 320 bhp or 300bhp with the ultra short gearing (or weight reduction). I've owned a 315bhp STi 5 and had regular access to an M3 over the last two years. 30-130mph I'd expect them to be neck and neck, although I'd sold the STi before my mate got his M3.
Of course, this all started because OP claimed to beat a P1 in a 335i in a straight line and not from a dig. This fact has been disputed. However, I think we can say with a degree of confidence that from, say, 30-130mph a stock P1 would lose to a stock 335i. I don't see how this fact needs any more discussion.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that most 335i's make more than quoted power as well. BMW quoted it at 302bhp because, at the time, the 343bhp M3 was still available to buy new. If they make, say, 320bhp then that would be far too close on paper to its bigger, albeit older, brother.
Of course, this all started because OP claimed to beat a P1 in a 335i in a straight line and not from a dig. This fact has been disputed. However, I think we can say with a degree of confidence that from, say, 30-130mph a stock P1 would lose to a stock 335i. I don't see how this fact needs any more discussion.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that most 335i's make more than quoted power as well. BMW quoted it at 302bhp because, at the time, the 343bhp M3 was still available to buy new. If they make, say, 320bhp then that would be far too close on paper to its bigger, albeit older, brother.