Heretik

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Hi all!!

As ever, all opinions welcome!

Never driven either, and soon to come into a privileged position where we maybe able to purchase a dream car! So far the shortlist is the Lambo Vs the GTR Black.

Always loved the Lambo G - looking at the prices compared to the GTR we'd be looking at a 2004/5 model Vs a 2009/10 Black edition GTR.

Anyone driven both and can offer a good insight as to a comparison?

Probably looking tp purchase sometime in the first half of next year if all goes to plan - so will obviously looking to giving them both a test drive when the time comes, but if anyone can give a heads up all the better!!

Open to other suggestions just below the £60K mark... but these are mine and my partners two all time fav cars!!

We like the GTR for practicability and not sure the Lambo will deliver in same terms here, but still open to that compromise if its worth it when it comes to the driving.

All comments and suggestions open!

Cheers

H

sti-04!!

GTR hands down at that cost.
Gallardo is a stonking motor but GTR would trump it.

Moley

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GTR would beat it on speed, but i'd have the Lambo everytime

Jamz3k

Agreed! Would love to beable to say I drive a Lambo! Not keen on the look of the GTR myself but they seem to be a pretty common sight on the roads unlike a Lambo.

Moley

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You'll never get bored of that V10 on full chat

dazdavies

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I'd seek out those on here that have owned or still a GTR. Ask them about the draw backs.

john banks

The only real drawback of the GTR is running costs are like a Lambo rather than a Micra.

daz1968

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both well out of my reach, but the lambo would win every time in my book, just the sound makes it worthwhile

RichB

Lambo without question

monkeyboy173

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I'd literally give 1 bollock, 1 eye and both nipples for a GTR but having read a few bad reports on the web about warranty issues and stupid stuff like the £11k front end nudge & £120 for wiper blades I think the running costs would be ridiculous not to mention the expensive gearbox oil change if it gets too hot!!

Ive read EVO mag for years and they have run there orange lambo (Murcielago not Gallardo) for over 100k miles and I know they have high service costs but even out of warranty repairs or claims they have made have always been dealt with by Lambo either helping them with costs or for nothing.

I see 2 GTR's almost every day with MILFs dropping there kids to private school and they really look awesome in the flesh but the silly Nissan repair prices would spoil the car for me. It would always be in the back of your head and not allow you to enjoy the car which is a shame

Dave Thornton

There's a Virgin Experience day for £245: Gallardo LP560-4 v Nissan GTR.

banny sti

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Clutch change on a e-gear Gallardo is something silly like 10k, so bear in mind as they can need changing anywhere from doing 5k-25k miles.

Banny

alloy

I have a GTR, so clearly have a marginal level of bias and i would say for the price and age/model of Lambo you would be getting the GTR would be the better buy!

I love the noise from the lambo v10, but the GTR is just a more pliable car to britain's road surfaces and weather conditions and in every way you could perceive is a joy to own and drive.

Matteeboy

GTR - around 1800kgs
Gallardo - around 1400kgs.

That's a BIG difference.

The GT-R appears to be amazing in almost every way but why so damn heavy?! Same with the 350Z - a smallish two seater yet over 1500kgs!

banny sti

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You could say the same for the 3 series and 5 series, 5 is much bigger but there is hardly any weight difference between the two go figure.

Banny

Matteeboy

Eh? I said the weight difference is huge - not tiny.

As for the 3 and 5 series - trying to get a rise by any chance? Stroll on laddy.

john banks

Depending on your source the difference is as little as 120kg between the Gallardo and GTR.

banny sti

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Merely stating a fact, so climb down off you high horse the world does not revolve around you as I have no need to get a rise out of anyone!

Banny

Terminator X

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Common! Not seen one on the road yet myself ... I've seen a few Lambos though, amazed at how small they are!

TX.

alloy

Well if you are to believe Mizuno-San the car is at it's optimum with the 20" wheel package and the weight it has when it rolls out of the factory. His PR BS suggests that where an F1 car has a weight of 650kg it generates 1200kg in downforce therefore total weight over the four contact points is 1850kg. With the GTR to design a street car with such low weight would compromise safety in a crash so the package must weigh this much as to generate sufficient grip.......

There are videos of his comments on PH and YouTube.......

Terminator X

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I remember wincing at his clutch changes, engine out job wasn't it

TX.

banny sti

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Yes engine out and most of the back end off, my brother's mate is having one done at manchester lambo dealers. Will see if i can get the pics later on today.

Banny

Matteeboy

GTR -

Nissan website:
I gave up - it's impossible to find any info

Parkers:
1740kgs
Evo:
1740kgs

Gallardo:

Lambo website:
1500kgs (LP560)

Parkers:
Only lists Superleggera - 1330kgs
And SE - 1430kgs

john banks

Lamborghini Gallardo lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com 1613kg here for the age we're talking about.

Weight doesn't really matter when the GTR accelerates and laps at least as fast as many present Gallardos.

There is a guy in Florida now down to 10.6 quarter mile at 133mph on a GTR with exhaust and map. Stock everything else including tyres, but good track and air density.

Performance is not really an issue I think it is safe to say. Mine still feels mind bendingly fast, far too fast for a road car arguably.

SirFozzalot

I think I would (reluctantly, because I love the Gallardo ) agree with this.

My current favourite car (Money no object, go out and buy one) is the Gallardo so I would have recommended that, but with the age difference in the cars you're looking at I think I would have to go for the GTR.

Matteeboy

No arguing that they are stupidly quick but that sort if weight is a lot to shift around - I can't believe they'd make it heavy just so it sticks better to the road though!

Another big offender is the current RS6 - over two tonnes yet nearly rocket powered. That's silly.

Tenby

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lambo would feel far more special as a car. if you are just about outright speed the GTR is the one to go for. GTR looks far to ordinary to me

Tenby

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for knicker dropping there would be no contest

john banks

GTR's weight starts to make sense compared with say a recent Evo or Impreza when you consider the size of the brakes, wheels, engine, extra turbo, more equipment and also the amount of structure there is to get stiffness, the whole thing seems to be a cheap design to get weight distribution, tyre loading and chassis rigidity, which is why the interior space is relatively poor for 1740kg. I have to say that I'd rather have the weight because of these issues than have it lighter, or be made of exotic materials making it is expensive. They keep it cheap because there are only bits of carbon fibre composite and aluminium panels here and there.

It is ordinary, that is why I like it. No one seems to have taken offence, I guarantee they would if it had been a Porker or Lambo in my job.

To the non-car enthusiast it is probably confused with a 350Z.

Matteeboy

But as the weight goes up, so does the size of the brakes, chassis reinforcements, etc and it's only a six pot, not an 8, 10 or 12. Catch 22.

They sound like they are ballistic but weight has never been the friend of any performance car - and too many (mine included) are just too heavy.

I really like the way Porsche keep their weights sensible.