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Old 19 August 2009, 09:12 PM
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We want to get the GF a smallish-medium size (family hatchback) car but living high up in the North Pennines, quite fancy something all wheel drive as she works shifts and the roads up here in the winter can be fairly icy.

Trying to put together a list for under £10K. Reliability is a must and reasonable running costs too. Struggling to think of possible cars that tick all the boxes and only really have the Golf V5 and V6 4motions and the Audi A3 quattro on our list (she's not keen on Audis). What else should we consider? Cheers for help
Old 19 August 2009, 09:13 PM
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Old 19 August 2009, 10:21 PM
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Impreza or Jag X-Type but may be too big? They did a few Octavia 4x4s for a VAG alternative but they're Haldex 'on-demand' AWD. Justy as mentioned above or Panda if you want a supermini. Jimny or Terios if a little 'off roader' is a possibility.
Old 19 August 2009, 10:39 PM
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I don't think you'll beat a diesel Golf 4motion TBH
Old 20 August 2009, 08:16 AM
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renault did a 4x4 version of the kangoo.
Old 20 August 2009, 08:38 AM
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I would say that Haldex 4WD suffers big time in snow and ice.

My Mum is a community nurse and often goes out to farms and other remote locations - like us she has a Jimny and 100% reliable and very good off road and in ice/snow (the Scandanavians love them). Not quick though and a bit thirsty for the size of engine.

£10k gets you a new one and about £2k to spare.
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Never had a problem with the haldex 4wd in my S3, works great in snow - the trick is to turn the traction control off (seems to fight against the haldex 4wd not help it !!). Knowing how to drive in snow helps a lot as well !
Panda 4x4 would be my suggestion if dont like the golf / Audi - or if semi proper off road a used Nisan Terrano 2 / Ford Maverick or a Honda CRV - drive like a car.

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I was in a similar dilemma and so went out and bought my missus this one:



Not the most sensible and practical purchase I could have made as I wouldn't let her use it in the wet! But I did sell it at a 1200 quid profit 1 year later! So we replaced it with this:



Which was a bit more like it, but still not exactly the shopping trolley that she really wanted. You're probably best off sticking with your original choices!
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I would get an impreza, you could pick up a 3 year old WRX for that cash, or a nearly new 1.5R hatchback?!?!
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. We already have a 400bhp Impreza in the household ( ), so probably a bit OTT to run another although a nearly new 1.5R hatch could be a good option. Lancia Integrale would be but car needs to be a workhorse as she's a paramedic and needs total reliability. Like the idea of a diesel Golf 4motion or Octavia 4X4. Guess it'll be a case of seeing what comes up at the time.
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I'd favour the Octavia over the Golf - it's raised and more "off roady" than the Golf (toughened).
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Diesel scoob? Panda, Justy?. Hated the Audi A3 Diesel quattro haldex system that I test drove (55 plate version, just didn't seem sure footed).
Old 20 August 2009, 11:55 AM
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Others to consider:-

Suzuki SX4, Fiat Sedici, Honda HRV, Nissan Qashqai.
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Don't consider the Qashqai - I hired one and it was utter cr4p.
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I had a 1.5R as a hirecar while mine was getting serviced. Worst car I've ever driven. Don't buy one Get an old A3 Quattro or a 4motion Golf. The V5 was FWD by the way.
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
I would say that Haldex 4WD suffers big time in snow and ice.
It can be tuned by people like AmD to be more of a proper 60/40 split which works better than the FWD+2 it usually operates.
Old 20 August 2009, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Don't consider the Qashqai - I hired one and it was utter cr4p.
Originally Posted by Reffro
Others to consider:-

Suzuki SX4, Fiat Sedici, Honda HRV, Nissan Qashqai.
All but the top Nissan Kumquat is 2wd. SX4 looks like a good bet.
Old 20 August 2009, 09:47 PM
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3dr RAV4 - fun to drive and ultra reliable. Pretty capable in dodgy conditions too.
Old 21 August 2009, 10:18 AM
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Yes, Rav4 if not a car - size wise the older 3 door was shorter in length than a Fiesta, but only 2 seats in the back.
Old 21 August 2009, 12:09 PM
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Thanks guys - more food for thought...
Old 21 August 2009, 12:53 PM
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I once saw a Octavia 4x4 with the 1.8t engine, would be a pretty nice car
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brother had an SX4 which was nice but there was an issue with uneven rear tyre wear even thou geometry was ok, never did get fixed so he got rid of it. had a JIMNY as well, great little jeep but drinks like a v8..........
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Originally Posted by Jamescsti
I once saw a Octavia 4x4 with the 1.8t engine, would be a pretty nice car
Its called a scout, looks like a boat! I followed 1 round a corner, jees the boody roll!!!
Old 22 August 2009, 10:13 AM
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If your thinking of the octavia then the madza 6 mps might be worth a look, it isn't much bigger than the skoda put you'll get a little bit more bang for your buck.
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Why not the Terios? Hugely relaible and the new ones are very well specced. Newish secondhand models will have the balance of a five year warranty too.

The MPS is £400 Tax.

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Old 23 August 2009, 11:27 PM
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I've got an SX4 1.6 diesel 2wd, and must say it has been fantastic so far.

Averaging 52mpg and upto 57mpg on a run. Easy to drive, good vision all round, very torquey and good ground clearance (which was main reason for buying it).

Although interior is cheap, and it is quite noisy-even for a diesel, but the noise doesn't encroach in the cabin.
Its not as noisy as the Scooby though, but the noise in the Subaru was a bonus point. lol.

Good luck with your choice.
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Jimny is very similar to the Terios but better off road - although less refined on road. My inlaws, grandparents in law, Mum and ourselves all have one! Bulletproof and comically good off road. A real Defender basher.
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