simog

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Hi all,

general wondering, I was followed by one of these things (not the newest one but a generation back before the redesigned shell) and it seems exceptionally quick to me.

I was suprised to see that he was sticking with me on straights from 0-60 which I didn't expect.

I should be pushing approx 270 - 280 with the mods and remap.

This must surely be down to my driving skills now!!!!

of course this is based on his car being standard!!

phillyctr

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ek9 ctr is a 1.6 185hp standard,i doubt it would have been standard to keep with you,do u notice a fmic?if not may have been supercharged,pretty quick out of the box,but with a turbo kit or supercharged they will easliy keep with a scooby.

gpssti4

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They're very quick once in the Vtec zone. They also handle much better than a (standard) Scoob. You're probably loosing 20bhp more through the 4x4 system, so 200bhp v 220 bhp at the wheels and the Civic will be lighter - not much in it really.

urban

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You should see how good they take off with a young buck behind the wheel on a damp road.

Traffic light GP style.

simog

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Ok so it could have been a supercharged one then. I didn't see a front mount, to be honest it looked standard but then I don't know how into modding the looks of these cars the owners really are. Perhaps a sleeper?!

Nice little car though.

MelTypeR

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Theres one knocking around my area and its also very quick.

You'll be surprised how quick they are

0-60mph :5.7 seconds0-100mph:17.5 seconds0-1/4mi 15.0 seconds at 94mph

Honda EK9 Civic Type R Length / Width / Height (mm)4185 / 1695 /1360Minimum Ground Clearance (mm)135Curb weight (kg) 1090Displacement (cc)1595Horsepower (PS/rpm)185 / 8200 Torque (KGM/rpm) 16.3 /7500

so as you can see not bad for a front wheel drive car!!


Mel

ALi-B

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Quickish: My Slusho-matic Shed kept up with one, who was "really" trying, and that by all means is not a quick car off the mark. CTR should have wiped the floor with it.

simog

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This one was defo quick, will have to watch out for him again. Don't think I will miss him though...he will be the type R right up my backside!!

I hate being tail gated!

LG John

A supercharged civic would be passing a 280bhp scooby.

simog

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I don't doubt it.

f1_fan

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What generation are we talking about here? Not the current 'Flash Gordon' model, the one before - the breadvan model?

If so I have one and it is pretty quick. If you keep it in the VTEC zone and drive the wheels off it it will keep up with a standard Scoob, but it does all feel a bit frantic.

talizman

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I assume the opening poster was referring to the 2001-2006 model, (the breadvan!) but most replys have confused it with the old EK9 1.6 litre 185bhp variant.

A few years ago I struggled to create much of a gap in my MY03 STi PPP from a 52 plate standard looking CTR. Not sure what he had done to it but it was a quick car.

dj219957

i had a 03 plate ctr. i didnt think it was that quick. i feel that my classic is quicker.
The problem with the ctr is that you have to screem it (obviously) and when ever you wanted to speed off you were always in the wrong gear.

billythekid

1200kgs, 200bhp, FWD, reasonable Cd, it should keep up tbh.

The other thing is off the line, if you know how to launch it - they will fly. They are not quite 4x4 quick, but not far off. If you plant the throttle with the car in 1st the second limiter should kick in, just dump the clutch from this point as quick as you can and off you go. (in the dry!)

I had one for about 2 years, very capable cars. Manly due to the kerb weight.

The Chief

I had a bit of fun with one in my Scoob which was pushing 260bhp, from a standing start i panned it (awd traction etc) but was quite shocked to see 200 yards later he was only a couple of car lengths behind me.

I thought they were slow - i was wrong.

The truth is on the road you need at least 100bhp difference to make a big difference on the road. Going back to my Scoob only super quick cars used to pull away up to sane speeds, i.e. M5's, 911s' etc and even then not by a massive amount - its only when speeds get silly and naughty these cars really make their presence felt. (which i never found out above 70mph)

Eternal Rage

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A few guys have them up here, and tbh they are relaly quite pokey for what they are. As said, 200 BHP without the 4WD transmission loss and nice long gearing will make it a nuisance for most Scoobs in the mid 200BHP range.

The way its driven is gonna make all the difference too tho... ie warm and kept in V-Tec... plus as they have less torque than... well... everything else on the road... even one passenger will make a massive difference and slow it down a lot.

Just my tuppence

phillyctr

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my ep3 was pushing around 240hp,i had a play with a white scoob type-r,he was suprised to still see me in the rearview mirror,great cars even better on the track, a mate of mine used to race his for cpl racing and was doing the quarter in under 12 secs,not bad for a fwd motor.

f1_fan

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I have a classic and a CTR and yes the classic feels quicker, but it isn't.

It will be though

Andy M3

Love these thread's

nisr227

OK they are not amazingly fast (I use to have a 350bhp Pulsar and use to eat them) but having said that, they are quicker than many other hatches.

Autocar timed the Ep3 (breadvan) Civic type R, 197bhp 1203kg....
0-60 6.7secs
0-100 16.2secs
Thats 60-100 in 9.5secs.

Compare that with the new Civic Type R (FN2 euro, not the jdm version) and they got..
0-60 7.4ses
0-100 in 18.4secs
Thats 60-100 in 11secs.

On another note, they timed the lastest basic 291bhp evo X at 0-60 in 5.7, 0-100 in 14.3secs i.e. 60-100 in 8.6secs, and thats not much quicker in the real world than the 9.5secs of the EP3 Civic, bit different on the corners though. Modern cars are much heavier, even cars like the revy n/a clio 197 might look small with decent power but they are far heavier than the EP3 which was doing it years ago.

So as an old age hot hatch, even as standard the EP3 is still a pretty quick car for what it is. A supercharger will obviously make it fly with anything from 280-400bhp, or a turbo, but companies like CPL have done a lot of NA testing on Type R's with fantastic results for much smaller outlay and costs, and that will take a second or so off the 0-100/60-100 times, and certainly get it a bit closer to certain scoobs.

You can get 235bhp-240bhp NA (depending on what dyno you believe) for about £1.5k. Get a geometry change (big difference to the handling with more lift off oversteer), decent pads (FS2500's) and maybe a spare set of wheels with R888's for the summer, and you'll have a pretty good 200bhp per ton package, more than enough for a fwd hatch. More Supension or coilovers if you don't mind really hard rides.

I am certainly thinking of getting one as I need a practical car for my dogs in the back, but something thats faily quick, fun, very reliable, used everday, and keeps costs down in the current economic climate. I love the way they want to be thrashed so hard but take it all anyway. I am sure they can be tiresome after a long while, and its easy to be in the wrong gear, but for short hard driven bursts along my local Welsh twisitie roads (in the dry) it will be a joy. Some people love vtecs, some just hate them.

And becuase they are common, there are loads of examples for sale, so better chance of bagging yourself a great example at a great price at the moment.

P1Fanatic

I had a tussle with an EP3 (breadvan shape) in my '00 classic and could not make any ground on him. No great suprise when you run through the stats tho.

Incredibly capable car and as for the lack of torque - yes compared to a turbo'd car but for N/A its very good.

Ive pretty much decided on the newer FN2 model as my next car. A bit more refined and slighter slower but hey that suits me fine.

Simon

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I was putting fuel in my baby wrx (at the shell in derby) by markeaton park. with a mate in his mk4 1.8T revo to 220bhp. and a CTR came in to refuel, he laugh at my baby wrx as he left.. (thinking is the slow fat scooby). on the way back to b-ham on the A38 i saw him doing about 65mph , i was doing 75mph & overtook him... then he try to bait me, coming right behind me, & wanted to overtake me so in to 3rd gear and bye bye CTR, (but i do have 340bhp) my mate then wanted a play, in his mk4 1.8T nothing in it until about *35 and the CTR pulled a car lenght in head..

i love having one off the slow scooby

when the hot-hatchs come to play

jreedy27

following on from what nisr227 said about the ep3 i have to agree he's spot on as my car recently pulled 234.4 bhp on tdi norths dyno after mapping and it was weighed at a friends garage at 1160kg. (A stnd type r ep3 weighs 1185 w/o air con or 1205 with) so the power to weight will be around 200bhp per ton which isn't to bad for a hatch back, my mods so far are k.pro, dc sports 4 2 1 manifold, spoon b.pipe spoon n1 b/box and a gruppe m induction kit. Also ive stripped out the rear of the spare tyre jack carpet parcel shelf etc and added some team dynamic pro race 1.2s light weigh wheels to save a bit of weight. (k.pro lowers the vtec point to 4.500rpm's and raises it to 9,000rpm's by the way folks)

This month i'll be lowering it by 30mm and getting the tdi north fast road set up just to give it that more planted feel, And then i was going to supercharge it and add an lsd in june time, however i've now decided to sell up in june and get me some 4 wheel drive turbo power after falling in love with my friend bellamy's scoobie wrx sti (think it's a pro drive?) Dont get me wrong i love my ep3 to bits and once rolling it will not be to far behind a wrx sti and sticks to the road well, it's just i fancy a change soon so i'll be wanting a scoobie or evo next and preferably one withsome tasty mods already done to it. That's why in loitering on here to get a tatse of the world of scoobies and i like what i see

nisr227

..becuase they are top selling hot hatches and very popular you do have a higher chance of coming across c**ky idiots who think their cars are it (bit like some scoob owners), and then again you will also get a lot of responsible drivers too, with decent clubs like Hondas on Track that you can get involved in.

As I said, if you've got alot more power (like my previous 350bhp) you will be obviously quicker, big deal, but then you can always come across a supercharged one with the same power and then see what happens. I am sure there are loads of storys against them.

CTRs are all about having thrashing fun keeping it all in the vtec zone along a demanding road, with the best reliability and cheap running costs, not just straightline speed for a fwd hatch.

jonny_693

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