PORKER 944 TURBO
07 March 2009, 12:55 PM
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PORKER 944 TURBO
I'm thinking of getting one of these as a track car. Iv'e previously had a couple of 44 S2's and a 968, but found them a little underpowered. Any thoughts and what to look out for.
07 March 2009, 05:59 PM
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Never actually thought about it, to be honest simon. I suppose though as it's for tracking only and will be stripped naked, a couple of grand and a bit to get it ready. Obviously if costs are silly, then i'll look elswhere, 20 VT golf/ saph cossy etc..
07 March 2009, 06:04 PM
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Beter off speaking to Kevin at EMC in Birmingham then. He will tell you what I'll tell you; which is 'buy one I made earlier'. He may have a good ex racer for sale too. He can be difficult, but hes actually a sound bloke: he does it to weed out the time wasters from the worthwhile people.
If you do go with a road car then:
Watch out for terrible rust int he sills (look through the air vent in the base of the pillar).
Watch out for headgasket failure.
Watch out for any crap from 'Lindsey Racing' and be wary of Promax.
Watch out for owners wildly over-valuing their cars.
If you do go with a road car then:
Watch out for terrible rust int he sills (look through the air vent in the base of the pillar).
Watch out for headgasket failure.
Watch out for any crap from 'Lindsey Racing' and be wary of Promax.
Watch out for owners wildly over-valuing their cars.
07 March 2009, 06:10 PM
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Have a swatch on here
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=38842
Couple of things I have learned...
Water pumps cost £100+ and should be changed every 80k (every 2nd belt service)
Changing the belts and getting them too tight can accelerate water pump wear by putting too much load on the pump bearings
Water pumps are held in with 10 or so M6 studs in the block which like to shear on removal if the pumps not been changed in a while
My cousin can do a cracking job of removing them, using gas , lots of tea and a lot of swearing
Although the timing marks for the balancing shaft belts are clearly marked it is entirely possible for the pulleys to be fitted to the balance shafts 180 degrees out by a previous owner which completely unbalances the engine, causing random failures
Go on, ask me how I know all this...
Pop off the little vents on the B pillar with the door open and check in there for rust on the sills.
Mine was a 1982 Lux in varying shades of pink with suspension on its last legs, however, on the rare ccasion that it all ran right it was amazing on a B road. The next best handling car to a 205 1.9GTi I have driven
And yes, i'm after another one...
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=38842
Couple of things I have learned...
Water pumps cost £100+ and should be changed every 80k (every 2nd belt service)
Changing the belts and getting them too tight can accelerate water pump wear by putting too much load on the pump bearings
Water pumps are held in with 10 or so M6 studs in the block which like to shear on removal if the pumps not been changed in a while
My cousin can do a cracking job of removing them, using gas , lots of tea and a lot of swearing
Although the timing marks for the balancing shaft belts are clearly marked it is entirely possible for the pulleys to be fitted to the balance shafts 180 degrees out by a previous owner which completely unbalances the engine, causing random failures
Go on, ask me how I know all this...
Pop off the little vents on the B pillar with the door open and check in there for rust on the sills.
Mine was a 1982 Lux in varying shades of pink with suspension on its last legs, however, on the rare ccasion that it all ran right it was amazing on a B road. The next best handling car to a 205 1.9GTi I have driven
And yes, i'm after another one...
07 March 2009, 06:16 PM
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The days when a waterpump cost £100 are LONG gone!
With regards to the PCGB link: I doubt that Paul will be able to see it, as you have to log in to view anything.l
With regards to the PCGB link: I doubt that Paul will be able to see it, as you have to log in to view anything.l
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07 March 2009, 06:36 PM
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Here's the links from that site if you can't get on
Clark's Garage Home Page
Porsche Specialists | Porsche sales and servicing
944 turbo
944 Buyers Guide
Weissach.net - 924/944/968 Buyers' Guides
and don't forget Rick Cannells excellent website that has lots of magazine reviews:
Road Tests
Worth registering on Porsche Club GB Forum and The Independent Porsche Enthusiasts Club • Index page for more info.
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07 March 2009, 06:44 PM
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Thanks, Gents i knew someone would come good. I'm fairly wieldy with a spanner, and like to do what i can. So how difficult is that old VW LT van engine, to work on.
07 March 2009, 08:30 PM
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Well: no Porsche has ever had a VW van engine to work on. The Porsche 924 engine was originally designed by DKW when they were owned by Mercedes, so its a Mercedes engine. It passed to Auto Union when they bought DKW from Mercedes and to VW when they bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI used the engine in its original OHV guise and they later converted it to OHC. (VAG still uses this block and the 20v turbo still has the blocked off cam provision inthe block; although no one calls that a VW van engine). Porsche took this OHC AUDI engine and gave it a steel crank, redesigned the head and fitted fuel injection. The 'connection' to VW Vans came later, when VW used a cheaper version of the same OHC AUDI engine in a T2.
None of this has anything to do with a 944 Turbo though, because that used a forced induction variant of the 2,500cc Porsche engine. In principle its half of an early 928 V8 engine and in practice some 928 parts do fit. Its certainly nothing to do with a VW van though. Youll be telling me that Porsche 944s have VW Golf door handles next...
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None of this has anything to do with a 944 Turbo though, because that used a forced induction variant of the 2,500cc Porsche engine. In principle its half of an early 928 V8 engine and in practice some 928 parts do fit. Its certainly nothing to do with a VW van though. Youll be telling me that Porsche 944s have VW Golf door handles next...
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Fair enough. Id not use a pattern water pump though. Original parts used to cost well over £200: they dropped to £100 (far cheaper than pattern parts cost then, before climbing back up again.
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If its any use to you i have a mate with a scrap yard with something that looks awfully like that but in blue, i know he had a new radiator put on it but i also know its been sat in one off his units and hasnt moved for a year or 2 i can have a ask for you on monday it will come cheap, if that fails there is one parked in some ones garden in red it looks like its been there for ever but he will take 500 for it? but i think it has round headlights in it?????
Both might be useless to you lol
Both might be useless to you lol
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Depending on what they actually have: I may be interested. Anything thats been stood for years in a field will need to be quite impressive to be worth £500 though...
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I know what you mean about pattern pumps-they may fail before a genuine one. However I need to be pragmatic about these kind of things, I've not put more than 3000 miles on a car in the last 5 years before I've shifted it on so it's largely irrelevant. And if I'm buying a 944 (as I am now) I'd rather see a recent replacement pattern part than an original genuine one that may fail shortly. I've already knocked back a couple of cars because of this.
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Well: no Porsche has ever had a VW van engine to work on. The Porsche 924 engine was originally designed by DKW when they were owned by Mercedes, so its a Mercedes engine. It passed to Auto Union when they bought DKW from Mercedes and to VW when they bought Auto Union / AUDI. AUDI used the engine in its original OHV guise and they later converted it to OHC. (VAG still uses this block and the 20v turbo still has the blocked off cam provision inthe block; although no one calls that a VW van engine). Porsche took this OHC AUDI engine and gave it a steel crank, redesigned the head and fitted fuel injection. The 'connection' to VW Vans came later, when VW used a cheaper version of the same OHC AUDI engine in a T2.
None of this has anything to do with a 944 Turbo though, because that used a forced induction variant of the 2,500cc Porsche engine. In principle its half of an early 928 V8 engine and in practice some 928 parts do fit. Its certainly nothing to do with a VW van though. Youll be telling me that Porsche 944s have VW Golf door handles next...
Simon
None of this has anything to do with a 944 Turbo though, because that used a forced induction variant of the 2,500cc Porsche engine. In principle its half of an early 928 V8 engine and in practice some 928 parts do fit. Its certainly nothing to do with a VW van though. Youll be telling me that Porsche 944s have VW Golf door handles next...
Simon
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08 March 2009, 07:19 PM
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to be fair to the OP when the 924 was introduced it was always touted in the motoring press as not a proper Porsche because it had a VW Van engine in it
The press obviously didn't do chapter and verse on the exact origins of the engine though -- buts it’s always good to have the inside track
The press obviously didn't do chapter and verse on the exact origins of the engine though -- buts it’s always good to have the inside track
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