rickya

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What a load of old tosh!

NotoriousREV

The side stickers probably add 80bhp on their own.

RyanSTI

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same 2.0t engine thats in the s3 and tts, and they run around 260-270hp, so with an exhaust system and a few other bits and pieces 300+ doesnt seem that far off. although mtm are renound for exagerating.

skinters

I think that's a typo - 280bhp on chip and exhaust is common and quite do-able. Without a turbo change it's never going to reach 380!

My fav fun upgrade was the old Saab 9k 2.0 light pressure
50% more power with a chip ... ok it only started with 150bhp but lifted to 226bhp with chip only.

ProdrivePaul

I'd usually agree with that as some standard turbo's can probably go an extra 50 - 60 bhp extra with supporting mods.

However, does anyone know what turbo is fitted to this car? - it could be a sleeper just waiting to be woken up

Henrik

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You also needed the apc solenoid, though, as otherwise you'd be running wastegate pressure regardless (but still very impressive gains to be had on the 9k)

Henrik - Saab 9000 2.3 litre fanatic

Shark Man

Its quite simple:

A standard Subaru "could" push 350bhp+ by remapping, bumping up the boost and taking off the cats BUT It'll last about 5000miles before it'll melt a piston or hammer out a big end!

Thats the difference between modifying and "remapping". Turning up the boost is one thing, but fitting the components required to maintain the drivetrain's overall longevity is another thing entirely.

Last time I looked at turbo'd Golfs I was under the impression that the intercooler is undersized for starters. Injectors are probably ok; one advantage of FSi is one can have much longer injector duration without being limited by the inlet valve timing. Clutch? Dual mass, won't last. Gearbox? Probably will be ok - its going to spend most of its time locked into throttle managment maps, traction control or aimlessly spinning its wheels.

skinters

To me - the cap I would expect here is fuelling followed by turbo flow.

if VW have completely overspecced the fuelling then fine.

But why use a turbo that can flow 380bhp in a 200bhp car? that is crazy and means you have a 200bhp car that could have had a smaller and much more responsive turbo.

If the 200bhp turbo is indeed running very low pressure, then yes, maybe there is scope. But I bet it's running 14psi or more.

Interested in this one as this would be epic on remap alone.

Andy M3

^^^^ modern turbo's are pretty efficient, and the VAG maps have flat torque curves from 2k-5k. A load of boost, fuel and exhaust would result in a spiky map though.

skinters

Checking the wording more:

MTM takes this road muncher up to 272 horses and, with the miracle of chip-tuning via a little additional tapping on their laptops and a few component upgrades provides the option to make the Scirocco R max out at 380 hp

"a few component upgrades" could mean anything! They use a lot of the work 'up to 380' in the publicity too. None of the tech spec has been released for the 'up to 380' release.

Also checked that MTM get 270bhp odd with chip and exhaust on this car.

This leads me to believe that for the same company to market it at 380 with a chip and exhaust is somewhat odd....

Nice bit of resulting publicity though.

I can relax now - for a moment I worried I'd be getting passed by a VW!

rickya

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I think MTM have a habbit of talking crap!

J4CKO

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I had one, it was Mitsubishi turbo of some description, the car was tuned for mid range torque, a smallish turbo running ell within its limits, its well documented that you can get these gains, same engine as the higher output models just mapped differently, you can map the high pressure model but it just goes to the same output.

I nearly did mine but to be honest it was quite lairy with 150 bhp in the wet, down to its Cavalier based underpinnings, they can be tamed but its a lot of work, nearly did it to mine but changed it for a new 9-3 and remapped that to 250, though I reckon once it had traction and a remaps the older one would have been quicker, better engine imho than the later Vauxhall sourced ne in my Aero, much more character and more tunable, some versions can be tuned to 700 plus bhp, skinters own 9000 has getting on for 400.

R4LLY

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If it's the exact same engine as the new S3 then it has some serious potential at 200hp.


an S3 With a decatted exhaust system and flash will get 340/340 easily, and it has been proven on the dyno.


340/340 on a Dyno Dynamics may read around 360-370 somewhere else.


Newer cars are becoming very tuneable....


The new 135I can get to 375-380 with just a remap, again proven figures...

BMW Car timed the 0-100 in under 10 seconds

skinters

135i is 300bhp on a 3 litre twin turbo and going by % that figure of around 360 on remap sounds about right?
i.e. about 20% on remaping turbo car has been the standard for about 10 years - maybe more - as manufacturers have about that level of safety margin in the design.

The difference here is using % and starting high means you get some pretty big bhp numbers....

Mitchy260

There may be truth in this.

The VAG 2.0t engine that is used in the S3/Leon Cupra/Golf Ed 230 respond very well and are already showing signs of 360/360 with map/exhaust and fuel pump change.

I suspect this shares the same turbo but has been detuned down to 200 for some reason?

R4LLY

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377, with just a remap:

BMW 135i ECU Upgrades | Remap | Performance Tuning Evolve Engine | ECU


That car is getting a bigger intercooler and after another remap it will be around 420bhp...

Matteeboy

Looks at 135i re-map link, drools a lot, looks at list prices, drools more, wonders about leasing, suddenly starts thinking it's time for a fun car again.

F355 power in a dinky little coupe? I like it!

skinters

And on a dynodynamics too - so quite good on the believable dyno front.

Much of the reason here is :

Stock un-turboed 3litre develops - 261bhp so the turbos are only lifting it by 40bhp which in % terms isnt that much. Almost 'light pressure' in design.

i.e. the twin turbos have bags of spare capacity left so a remap does wonders - as per the earlier Saab LPT example but actually still not as extreme.

Fat lardy thing at 1560kgs! But with 380bhp who cares - got me interested.