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Old 10 July 2008, 10:07 AM
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Unhappy Pug 205 - Aaaagh! broken bleed nipple

Typical, I've snapped the bleed nipple off the front Bendix caliper on my 205

Left it to soak in release fluid for a couple of days, cleaned the thread, etc. but it's still sheared off. Other side unwound without a fuss.

Anyone know if it's possible to get it out & repair, or am I looking at a new caliper (£50)

I tried to register on the 205 GTi Drivers but the forum isn't taking new members at the mo.

Oh, car's a D Turbo - same front suspension/brake set up as a 1.6 GTi

Thanks,
Steve
Old 10 July 2008, 10:49 AM
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If you get a suitably sized small stud extractor (male type) down the centre you may be able to get the remains out.

Hit and miss sucess rate on if it removes the broken nipple though.
Old 10 July 2008, 11:16 AM
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Good point - I was going to try & drill it out - really carefully!

Just rang the local Pug dealer. Part number 442813 - £5.36!!

Still cheaper than a new caliper I guess, but **** me; I guess it's made of platinum at that price.
Old 10 July 2008, 12:11 PM
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If you have a good indepeddant motor factors nearby, you could always remove the nipple from teh other side and see if they have a bleed nipple the same diameter and pitch thread lying is a parts tray somewhere.
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Excellent suggestion Mr Shark! I guess Reading might have a decent motor factors somewhere.

I can always try ECP or GSF too, but I bet they only do the caliper. Time to hit the phone.

PITA is that I have to hope everywhere's open on Saturday morning as I never get home from work in time during the week.
Old 11 July 2008, 09:01 AM
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Depends on how the hydraulic line fits to the caliper, but if it's a banjo bolt then ask at a motorcycle dealers about their brake accessories.

You can get a "bleed bolt", which is a bolt that holds the banjo fitting AND has a bleed nipple built in. Designed for exactly this type of situation. About a fiver or so, I believe.

Here's one:

Brake banjo / bleed bolt (replace snapped bleed nipple) on eBay, also, Other Motorcycle Parts, Motorcycle Parts Accessories, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 30-Jul-08 11:23:58 BST)
Old 11 July 2008, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spider
Excellent suggestion Mr Shark! I guess Reading might have a decent motor factors somewhere.
Camberley Auto Factors Ltd. Motor factor and distributor of quality motor spares, car spares and car parts. - Berkshire

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Old 11 July 2008, 01:58 PM
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Handy replacement brickboy, well worth knowing about. Unfortunately the flexi hose screw directly into the caliper on the Pug.

Top Banana - thanks for the link!
Old 11 July 2008, 02:30 PM
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good luck, hope you sort it easily
Old 12 July 2008, 12:42 AM
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Here's something I tried successfully when I had this same problem with the AP calipers on my lad's mini.
It does require removing and dismantling the caliper

1/ Take one M12x20 cap-head bolt, and drill down the centre 3mm through.
2/ Then drill and tap, the same thread as the bleed nipple, to a depth of about 12mm. Make sure you drill along the same centre as the 3mm hole.
3/ Next take your brake caliper, remove the piston and, using a 5mm bit, drill down the seized bleed nipple right into the piston orifice.
4/ Finally drill and tap the 5mm hole M12, almost down to the piston cavity, to take the newly drilled bolt. Liberally coat the bolt with thread sealant, wind it into the caliper tightly, and cut off the head.

I did all the above on a lathe and pillar drill, 12 chuffing times - APs have three bleed nipples and I reconned 4 of them.
Old 12 July 2008, 07:56 PM
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This is something that has happend to me before. I have managed to slacken the brake pipe from into the caliper and bleed the pipe. Then tighten when your foot is on the brake. In effect using the using the brake pipe nut as a bleed niple.
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spider, cant help you with your woes unfortunatley, but if you are looking to become a member on 205gtidrivers.com, send the admin an email. they are accepting members this way only due to the increased amount of trolls.

took me a few days to get on, but a very worthwhile wait. the info and lack of ********* on there is unparallel. joined up myself when i got my 205gti.
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CPD - blimey! That's a proper job & no mistake. Unfortunately I don't have all that kit, but a friend who has has taken the caliper to do pretty much as you suggest - where would we be without mates?

Jer - neat trick!

c_o_b, thanks for that, I'll drop them an e-mail.

ScoobyNet's a great place - thanks all.

Steve
Old 15 July 2008, 01:05 PM
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Gawd Steve - just buy a new caliper or scrappy lol Its not like you're running any other cars or doing a house up lol!!
Old 16 July 2008, 09:17 AM
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LMAO - Thanks for that Neil!

Poxy car is trying my patience with everything I try to fix or undo!

Caliper at least is fixed - my mate drilled it out and tapped it to M8 - one nice shiny new bleed nipple now in situ.

Shame the joint between the flexi brake hose & the metal one is solid! So far it's been soaked in penetrating oil for about a week, had gentle pressure, blowlamp, heavy pressure - I think only thermonuclear heat remains to be tried!

Off to get two new inner CV boots for it in a minute - oh, and the O/S driveshaft refuses to come out (and yes, I've undone the bearing retaining bolts on the d/shaft steady bearing!)

At this rate I'll get the Mini back on the road first!

Steve
Old 16 July 2008, 10:09 AM
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More heat and a breaker bar I always finds works well
Old 16 July 2008, 11:45 AM
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Trouble with the flexi/metal hose being locked tight is that I was starting to pull the mounting bracket off the inner wing

It can wait until I get a flaring tool to make up new copper brake lines.

I like your style!
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