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Old 27 October 2007, 05:43 PM
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Default A treat for 205 GTI 8v fans...

Here are the first videos of my track-car since the car has been back from des-developments and the new milder cam. Boy does it shift, the mid range is awesome, the power band being very wide indeed. It's going on the rollers next friday for final mapping and power run..

http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...07 Video 1.wmv
http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...007 Video2.wmv
http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...07 Video 3.wmv

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Old 27 October 2007, 06:10 PM
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Arn't all 205 gti's 8 valve ?
Old 27 October 2007, 06:13 PM
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Very nice mate, nice throttle response- must get one again!
Old 27 October 2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Stryker
Arn't all 205 gti's 8 valve ?
Apart from some French factory ones (I think) and converted MI16 engined cars.
Old 27 October 2007, 08:00 PM
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no you can get 16 valves too!
Old 27 October 2007, 10:46 PM
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Only when converted.

Nice vids Sean
Old 27 October 2007, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RUDDY
no you can get 16 valves too!
Er no u cant, unless they've had a mi16 lump chucked in.

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Old 27 October 2007, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Er no u cant, unless they've had a mi16 lump chucked in.

was just about to say the same
Old 27 October 2007, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rb5_336
Here are the first videos of my track-car since the car has been back from des-developments and the new milder cam. Boy does it shift, the mid range is awesome, the power band being very wide indeed. It's going on the rollers next friday for final mapping and power run..

http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...07 Video 1.wmv
http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...007 Video2.wmv
http://track-monkey.co.uk/videos/205...07 Video 3.wmv

Sean
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lovely noise from the 205 mate
sounds like you will enjoy your trackdays, and looks pretty quick too, picks those revs up really well
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It's had another round of work, now even better than before..

VIDEO HERE

Sean
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Looks pretty swift!

Noticed you've got a filter box round the throttle bodies - did this make a diffrence to simply putting the standard foam filters over the TBs?
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Originally Posted by SVVG
Looks pretty swift!

Noticed you've got a filter box round the throttle bodies - did this make a diffrence to simply putting the standard foam filters over the TBs?
better noise reduction and heat soak management
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What about airflow - although Longmans and Pug Performance seem to think that TBs prefer "finding" their own air, rather than being rammed...? I've got a heat shield underneath mine, that the trumpets and air filters sit on, so once it's moving I don't think there's too much heat soak from the rad.

Have been in two very quick 205s - both were totally stripped out - one had a Longmans built 106 gti turbo engine in it - felt like a 300bhp scoob, and the other had a GTI6 engine with cams in it - circa 180 bhp (optamistically...). So light, they really fly!
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here's a graph with and without airbox fitted.
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Great vid, that's the way to overtake. Should see the way people try to do it in America, haha. Is that going to be a pure track car only or will you keep it for some road use?
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Apart from some French factory ones (I think) and converted MI16 engined cars.
Youre getting confused with the 309.
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Originally Posted by GC8
Youre getting confused with the 309.
From all the research I've done since being an owner myself, its my (propably wrong) understanding the 16v engines were only in the 405 MI16 1.9 and 2.0 blocks. Or in the 2.0 turbo blocks used for the 205 T16 road going rally car used for homologation reasons. I never knew of a 1.9 16v block for the 205GTi anywho.

Could ask on the 205 GTi drivers forum. Less know it alls on there
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There was a French-market only homologation model (309), with the magnesium topped 16v 1900cc engine in it. I think that Ive seen a grand total of two of them. I was interested in one once, as it was a good lighter than my BX16v (which was essentially a better handling Mi16).
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Originally Posted by GC8
There was a French-market only homologation model (309), with the magnesium topped 16v 1900cc engine in it. I think that Ive seen a grand total of two of them. I was interested in one once, as it was a good lighter than my BX16v (which was essentially a better handling Mi16).
Have you any links for this stuff simon, it fascinates me you see. I like to read up on rare models, engines etc. If not, I'll survive
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Its full name was the Peugeot 309 GTI-16.
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Originally Posted by GC8
Its full name was the Peugeot 309 GTI-16.
I've heard of that actually. I assume no relation to the GTi-6 which was so named for the 6 speed gearbox on the later 306 model? 16 coming from the 1900 16v block?
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Peugeot 309 GTI16 Specifications & History : Rallye-Info.com
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Originally Posted by rb5_336
here's a graph with and without airbox fitted.
Am being a moron - which one is the with airbox fitted plot, and which one is the without it fitted plot? Thanks!!

Chocolate O B - Collin at Pug Performance has just put a 405 turbo lump into his stripped-out 205... It's supposed to be pretty quick as a standard engine.... and cost him peanuts...
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Originally Posted by Will Hendrix
Great vid, that's the way to overtake. Should see the way people try to do it in America, haha.

Is that going to be a pure track car only or will you keep it for some road use?
It's a dedicated track/sprint car, although road legal.
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Originally Posted by SVVG
Am being a moron - which one is the with airbox fitted plot, and which one is the without it fitted plot? Thanks!!
Dotted line without airbox. Doesnt effect peak power, but produced 8 LB/FT more (158..extremely good figure for an 8v) and bring power down the rev range
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
From all the research I've done since being an owner myself, its my (propably wrong) understanding the 16v engines were only in the 405 MI16 1.9 and 2.0 blocks. Or in the 2.0 turbo blocks used for the 205 T16 road going rally car used for homologation reasons. I never knew of a 1.9 16v block for the 205GTi anywho.

Could ask on the 205 GTi drivers forum. Less know it alls on there
The Mi16 engine was in the Citroen's of the time, BX 16V, and the GTI-6 engine as well in the Xsara VTS things.

The 205 T16 actualy used a 1.8 engine IIRC, and was a different design to any of the Mi stuff.

As GC8 says, French had the 309 GTI-16, and you can still buy the rear badge from Pug for about £8, same as the GTI badge from the 205, but with -16 on the end - many Mi owners do this.

Gutmann also did an unofficial Gutman 16 conversion as well IIRC.

I loved my 205, but I have to say I don't miss the ***** out revs of the Mi16 engine, and the constant under bonnet fiddling now it's been replaced with the ST.
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
The Mi16 engine was in the Citroen's of the time, BX 16V, and the GTI-6 engine as well in the Xsara VTS things.

The 205 T16 actualy used a 1.8 engine IIRC, and was a different design to any of the Mi stuff.

As GC8 says, French had the 309 GTI-16, and you can still buy the rear badge from Pug for about £8, same as the GTI badge from the 205, but with -16 on the end - many Mi owners do this.

Gutmann also did an unofficial Gutman 16 conversion as well IIRC.

I loved my 205, but I have to say I don't miss the ***** out revs of the Mi16 engine, and the constant under bonnet fiddling now it's been replaced with the ST.
Same here, bloody things broke down on me again this morning
Ignition issue - yey!


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