a treat for 205 gti 8v fans...
Re Mi16 engines.... I've got an old 306 S16 - which is effectively an Mi16 engine with a different inlet manifold - not to be confused with the S16 on the continent (which is what they call the GTI6 and I think the 106 GTIs too).... (bet you couldn't sleep with the worry re that one - so glad I've cleared it up
). It has a Longmans Head, piper fast road cams, Jenvey TBs, a Maniflow tubular exhaust manifold, an EFi ECU mapped by Richard Longman, a dizzy rather than coil packs and a couple of other bits and bobs. Reckon, guestimating figures based on before and after (including my 123 bhp 8v XSI and my scoob) that it feels around 195 bhp ish give or take 5 bhp, and is really responsive - helped by a GTi6 gear box which has made a huge difference to drivability (apart from when cold!). I don't think this is a good fit to the 205 though as it restricts turning circle/steering rack, and the people I know who've fitted the 6 box, have gone back to teh 1.6 205 one...Anyway, would be interested in your thoughts/experience re ramming/cold air feed to the TBs...
Cheers!
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Every Mi16 car I've had, 405, 205 etc always had the clicky starter motors so on my 205 I fixed it by adding a separate relay and it cured it 100%.
SVVG - my TB's had ram effect due to lowered radiator, and air stright into the TB's at the front via the Raimair filter and it always ran OK. 199bhp and 155 ft/lbs.
What's the issue, ignition issues when running or it just wont start?
Every Mi16 car I've had, 405, 205 etc always had the clicky starter motors so on my 205 I fixed it by adding a separate relay and it cured it 100%.
SVVG - my TB's had ram effect due to lowered radiator, and air stright into the TB's at the front via the Raimair filter and it always ran OK. 199bhp and 155 ft/lbs.
Every Mi16 car I've had, 405, 205 etc always had the clicky starter motors so on my 205 I fixed it by adding a separate relay and it cured it 100%.
SVVG - my TB's had ram effect due to lowered radiator, and air stright into the TB's at the front via the Raimair filter and it always ran OK. 199bhp and 155 ft/lbs.
Is/was a spark issue. Where the ignition module attaches to the plug, one of the plugs terminals is fubared. Also the module is fubared. Luckily a mate who is in the middle of a GTi-6 conversion had a spare working module and a spare plug/wires. Only thing being his wiring part is from a phase 1 205, mine is a phase 1.5, so differing connectors. Trying to get hold of another mate who is handy with a soldering iron and loves electrics
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I had a new Citroen BX16v which used the 1,900cc XU9J4 engine. Later (1992 onwards) Mi16s used a 2,000cc XU10J4x engine which was different and rated at 5bhp less. I think this was when the Peugeots adopted the hydraulic suspension from the BX16v (which was a better car, although dearer). The two litre engine was used in the 309GTI16, 306GTI-6 and Xsara VTS amongst others. Tellingly; the superior XU9 engine was used as a basis for 206WRC cars: I believe due to its superior cylinder head, which was lifted off the XU8 205 T16 engine.
I had a new Citroen BX16v which used the 1,900cc XU9J4 engine. Later (1992 onwards) Mi16s used a 2,000cc XU10J4x engine which was different and rated at 5bhp less. I think this was when the Peugeots adopted the hydraulic suspension from the BX16v (which was a better car, although dearer). The two litre engine was used in the 309GTI16, 306GTI-6 and Xsara VTS amongst others. Tellingly; the superior XU9 engine was used as a basis for 206WRC cars: I believe due to its superior cylinder head, which was lifted off the XU8 205 T16 engine.
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this must be the french car side of scoobynet ha ha
hears the car i had as a toy for the last 4 years before i bought a scooby
it was running 157.4bhp 1.6 16v engine on standard injection
hears the car i had as a toy for the last 4 years before i bought a scooby
it was running 157.4bhp 1.6 16v engine on standard injection
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IIRC I just beefed up the starting sequence by adding a separate relay in (40A from memory).
So instead of the starter wire going down from the ignition straight to the starter, it just goes to the relay, which then has it's own power and earth and triggers the starter motor.
If you look under the bonnet near the passenger side of the windscreen, there is that little black box near the expansion tank. Inside are two Pug relays and space for a third - I fitted it in there using a OEM Pug connector from a scrapyard.
Totally solved the issue and made it start a lot quicker as well.
So instead of the starter wire going down from the ignition straight to the starter, it just goes to the relay, which then has it's own power and earth and triggers the starter motor.
If you look under the bonnet near the passenger side of the windscreen, there is that little black box near the expansion tank. Inside are two Pug relays and space for a third - I fitted it in there using a OEM Pug connector from a scrapyard.
Totally solved the issue and made it start a lot quicker as well.
Last edited by Dream Weaver; Jan 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM.
I had a Citroen ZX 16v which had a variant of that mi16 engine. I believe it was intended to make 155bhp but in the end was rated at 150.
One of the best drivers cars ive ever owned, great steering, fluid handling and powerful brakes. It made 147bhp on rollers when it was 8 years old and 86k as well.
Try finding a good one now!
One of the best drivers cars ive ever owned, great steering, fluid handling and powerful brakes. It made 147bhp on rollers when it was 8 years old and 86k as well.
Try finding a good one now!
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IIRC I just beefed up the starting sequence by adding a separate relay in (40A from memory).
So instead of the starter wire going down from the ignition straight to the starter, it just goes to the relay, which then has it's own power and earth and triggers the starter motor.
If you look under the bonnet near the passenger side of the windscreen, there is that little black box near the expansion tank. Inside are two Pug relays and space for a third - I fitted it in there using a OEM Pug connector from a scrapyard.
Totally solved the issue and made it start a lot quicker as well.
So instead of the starter wire going down from the ignition straight to the starter, it just goes to the relay, which then has it's own power and earth and triggers the starter motor.
If you look under the bonnet near the passenger side of the windscreen, there is that little black box near the expansion tank. Inside are two Pug relays and space for a third - I fitted it in there using a OEM Pug connector from a scrapyard.
Totally solved the issue and made it start a lot quicker as well.
cheers chap I'll have a play when the winter cover comes off! 
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I had a Citroen ZX 16v which had a variant of that mi16 engine. I believe it was intended to make 155bhp but in the end was rated at 150.
One of the best drivers cars ive ever owned, great steering, fluid handling and powerful brakes. It made 147bhp on rollers when it was 8 years old and 86k as well.
Try finding a good one now!
One of the best drivers cars ive ever owned, great steering, fluid handling and powerful brakes. It made 147bhp on rollers when it was 8 years old and 86k as well.
Try finding a good one now!
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The car is being sold/broken up, loads of parts available.
List of items here:
https://www.scoobynet.com/private-sa...-specific.html
List of items here:
https://www.scoobynet.com/private-sa...-specific.html
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