davyboy

Which standard engine produces the most power but is less than 1800cc?

No turbos allowed.

fivetide

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Hmm not quite sure what you are asking - do you want the most powerful car under 1800cc in terms of most bhp or as the thread title suggests the fastest car under 1800cc ? They might not be the same thing when power/weight ratio is taken into account.

For example you could just say a Suzuki Haybusa engine is what you want, 1300cc and 194bhp stick it in a mini or a Caterham and scream.

5t.

davyboy

Must be a mass production road car with a roof.

I'm guessing the highest bhp engine would be the best place to start.

Wasn't the Honda Civic type r 1.6 any pretty powerful?

Matteeboy

Last shape Integra Type R.

1797cc, 187bhp.

fivetide

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See you could almost count the Elise in there 1796cc non turbo Rover powerplant. Not as much bhp as the Honda but a quicker car. Depends where you want a targa top or the convertible. Doesn't have the fixed roof per say but is a mass production car.

5t.

billythekid

I also second the Rover (honda designed) VHPD K series with KV6 Throttles c.190bhp - went into quite a few cars.

what would scooby do

K series was nothing to do with Honda, it was all Rover.

p.s. it is more advanced in VVC form than the newer honda vtec

Matteeboy

Toyota 1.8 VVti in the Celica and Corolla was 190bhp too.

rabbos

Are the VAG 1.8 turbos under? If so cupra R leon knocks out 225 as standard

satancom

Mazda RX-8 1300cc capacity! 230bhp ish?

Matteeboy

Non turbo only.
RX8 is a good one!
Think it's 1500 though.

sti-04!!

Is that not catergorised as a 2600cc though ??

Andy M3

RX has to take it, that or the bike engine jobs. If you are looking for something on a budget for a race series, my mate was pretty convinced that his I-vtec mk2 Honda CRX was as handy as his replacement a DC2 JDM ITR.

Another Honda is the Civic EK9

stilover

So are you after the fastest car under 1800cc, or the most powerful engine?

Power doesn't mean fastest.

For me the fastest car A to B under 1800cc would be a 106GTI. Not the fastest in a straight line as some might be, but get it on a back road and you'll catch/beat most things.

Devildog

It is also generally accepted as being a piece of **** compared to the Honda vtec in the Integra Type R, but there you go

Andy M3

Surely not has handy as an ITR, CRX VTEC, EK9 TypeR?

stilover

IMO yes. The only Honda I think I'd be worried about is the Integra Type R. Other than that, yes I'd say the 106 is faster A to B.
I was an absolute nutter in my 106. Remember chasing M3's etc on back roads. You'd see them looking in their rear view mirror and see some young lad in a little shopping trolley welded to their rear. And yes, they were slowing me down

Devildog

Did no one actually read the initial post?

No turbos, so that rules out the VAG engines.

Of the more recent "standard" engines, the 1.8 DC2 ITR or the equivalent toyota will be right up there as Matt has posted above.

Think both were officially 190 ps?

ot sure if it meets Davyboys "mass produced" criteria though ?

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Its a good engine with a design issue, much lighter than the Type R unit but its not much good if it just blows out steam, apparently SAIC (The Chinese Rover buyers) have this sorted now, bit too late perhaps.

TheJesus

Nissan Pulsar VZR N1 - 1.6 and 200bhp pretty much... rare though lol

what would scooby do

a tad less reliable I guess but far better technology

Deacon

Think the Mitsi Colt Cyborg pushed out nearly 190bhp from a 1.6 too. Again, rare though.

Deacon

davyboy

I was looking at a specific racing class, and posted this.

I then read further to see the 1800 class has a max bhp and weight. Meaning that only about 2 cars can compete.

...anyway, carry on

Tart Man

The Toyota VVTLi 190 unit may have 190bhp, but in real world its only 133bft of torque, so in gear performance doesn't really have that much more pace over an old 1800cc 130bhp/119lbft Zetec that is kept in fine fettle.

The major issue with the VVTLi unit is it has an extremely narrow powerband.

That's the problem of BHP when used as a measurement; a 9000rpm engine makes the figures look far better than what they really are simple due to how its calculated:

It is important to remember that an engine produces torque and that brake horsepower is simply the product of torque multiplied by engine speed and couple of constants.

Moving on.....

Ignoring kit cars (no roof); The closest thing to one is a Lotus Elan Sprint with the 1600cc 130bhp big valve engine. Not exactly new; and not "that" mass production, but it is a production car and it does have a roof With sub 7 seconds 0-60 and 120mph top speed is pretty damn rapid for something that was around in the mid 1960's. And still is today, plus the handling is absolutely superb.

chris_c201

RX8 is a 1308cc although for tax purposes you will be paying it as though its 2616... each rotor has a capacity of 654 cc and there are two, however, in comparison to a piston engine each "cycle" has double the combustions hence the claim of 2616.

Luminous

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I liked my 106 GTi, needed more power though. I still miss that car Some git wrote it off for me

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

No turbos? and a roof?

How about an Exige then

Luminous

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last time I looked the exige was a hardtop.

Devildog

I think we need to define "better"

The honda Vtec system is so clever in its simplicity. Said to have been zero vtec failures. Bomb proof bottom ends generally too.

The K series VVc may have been more technically complicated, but the "bolt through" engine whilst clever wasn't designed as well as perhaps it could have been.

Likewise, I'd love to see a standard k series running to 8,500 plus RPM day in day out without any problems

Devildog

Bolted in place as part of the structure.

Which isn't a "roof" why exactly??