wilyolddave

Might have to get rid of the scoob costing a fair bit to run and have baby no.2 on its way

So for a year or two gonna have to get summat cheaper to run I will be back though!

I have tested a couple of motors with fairly different results:

1 - Golf Vr6 Highline - okish, pulled well once wound up but just didnt feel special if you know what I mean Bodywork was a bit tired as well

2 - 306 Gti6 - Wow just pulls and pulls, instant throttle response, handled well (well as far as I could tell on a test drive) bit tinny and not built that good BUT it felt right Its not a scoob but it was v.good - fancy trying a rallye as well now

So what are everybodies opinion on the above or what other cars would people suggest?

Looking to spend £3kish

Cheers

Davy b

saphcos

Depends what you are after. If you can get past the image and it's not too small you can't get better then a saxo vts for the price you want to pay. They are a hoot to drive and fast. Throw 1500 at them and you are easily on a par with civic type r's, 182's and the like.

There won't be much difference between a vts and a gti-6 performance wise.

wilyolddave

Poss a bit small but maybe...wot about 106 gti same but better? wot would the 1500 quid involve?

What about FTO's mivec? look nice but ive never been in one?

Cheers davy b

saphcos

Magnex exhaust £300, Simota enclosed induction kit £100, piper decat £50, GMC manifold £250, cat cams 708s £350, chipwizards remap £450. Talking 160 bhp or approx 175 bhp ton. O-60, mid 6's 0-100 mid 16's, 1/4 mile mid 14's.

The Pug 106 is pretty much exactly the same car but more expensive due to image and rarity. I'm not a badge 'snob' so a vts wouldn't bothered me.

I reckon it'd have to be an impressive FTO to compete for that price.

hades

From my experience, the VR6 handling is several leagues below the 306 GTi-6 or Rallye. I wouldn't think twice on that comparison, but the 306 will outhandle almost anything in its class of that era.

You might get an early Clio 172 for that sort of money, which are obviously rather well rated.

wilyolddave

172 better than gti6? Ive had the older version of both cars 1.9 gti and a williams and they were both brilliant cars

is there anything else out there poss jap? no crap mpg or insurance bills though



Dave b

saphcos

Mondeo st24? Probably not as much fun as the cars already mentioned, but pretty quick when rolling.

wilyolddave

not really a ford fan - apart from cossies but not really what im after, mind ive always liked the st200

mmm 306 still seems like best bet ...... so far

cheers davy b

ScoobyJawa

If it came down to the VR6 and 306, then its the 306 without question.

Drove both back in 1998 when changing cars, golf was good, sounds good with induction/exhaust, but the 306 was leagues better in driver involvement, feedback, handling and stopping. Bought the Pug.

ScoobyDoo555

Love my 306 gti6
Great car - pushing out about 170bhp.... but handling like a go-kart

Wouldn't change mine for world....... unless I want comfort & speed. The S4 takes care of that

Dan

mg driver

how about mg zs 180 ,great fun to drive.

wilyolddave

3k get a zs? is that the one based on the rover 45? always liked the zr - think they do 160bhp one which must be fun

any other ideas?

Cheers davy b

wilyolddave

I was hoping for an average mpg 30 ish maybe being optimistic then

Surely gotta be better than the scoob 20 mpg ish

Cheers Davy b

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

Well there was something wrong with it then, because I used to get 37mpg out of my GTi-6 on a long run, around 400 miles to a tank, this is sitting at 80-85 in 6th, steady away

hades

Agree that the ZS 180 (V6) is a very good drive; like the 306, handling balance is better than a standard UK scoob even if maybe ultimate grip and certainly traction are worse. However, they are genuinely pretty scoob-like on fuel. Sister-in-law has just got rid of hers after averaging 23-24mpg as a (urban) daily driver, hardly ever topped 30mpg on a run. 306/172 as lighter cars with smaller engines will be better on fuel. Final point is don't confuse fuel costs with total running costs; something equally poor on fuell but with cheap parts, infrequent servicing requirements, lower insurance etc will still be a fair bit cheaper to run than a scoob. If you just want low fuel bills, get a Gold TDi !!

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Maybe its because i was sat at about 130 , now i take the kids up there in the scoob i barely touch 80. Definately not as bad on fuel but still likes the juice. As for total running costs insurance is still group 16, not as high but still high.

wilyolddave

I think it is insurance group 15 - ive had a quote for 250 quid - about 200 cheaper than the scoob!

Been looking on the net and have found a nice looking rallye in white for a good price - hope to go and have a look.

Lighter and faster no aircon not sure what else they dont have

Cheers Dave b

lanky_mos

Hiya guys,

Can i reccomend a honda civic Vti, around 1996 to 200? shape, think its the EK4? Fantastic engine, puts a smile on your face everytime you hit 5,200rpm!! and very very well built!

rob2006

iTrader: (1)

agree, but go for the Vti-S. 170 odd bhp. big enough for a small family, pirates black is the one to go for. I had a look at one before buying the classic scooby 2 years ago. they were going for £3500 then so you should get one for under £3k easy.

Bakerboy

I had a 306 S16 and it was quicker than the 306 GTI-6 I test drove, I believe the s16 is quicker 0-60 because of the 5 speed box as apposed to the gti's 6 speed; i'd go for an s16 if your'e after acceleration and handling - they turn so quick too.

I had one with half leather interior, very nice to use as an everyday car.

scott8629

I have a Rallye and I can get 400 miles to a tank, mostly motorway driving 80-85 MPH.

If the fuel economy is thatbad is normally the lambada sensor (co2)

Scott

totalllama

What about the 306 HDi. These can be chipped and modded up to 160BHP with oodles of Torque. See the Derv Doctor for modifying it! The car will still return 40 MPG all day long too

dogboy1

My vote goes to the VTS!!


You cant do better for value for money , handling, or fun!!

DOg.

ScoobyDoo555

check out Peugeot 306 GTi-6 & Rallye Owners Club

Got a for sale section too

Oh yeh, the S16 is good, nowhere near as good as the GTi6 The 6sp box in the GTi is amazing.
The only downside (as stated, in all fairness ), is the turning circle - it isn't brilliant on the GTi due to the big box.

INsurance costs me about £240 ish (34, clean license, living in the countryside)

agreed about mpg - circa 400 ish

Dan

p1tse

i got a soft spot for the pug 306

also consider the rallye too

Gompo

Gti-6's are quicker according to Autocar, most S16's are getting pretty rough nowadays and personally the seats look crap..

There are a lot of differences between a Gti-6 and the Rallye - I am not usually bothered about many creature comforts but for only 52kg less (supposedly) you lose a lot. Here is a list taken from the 306 BB:


1) No Electric windows
2) No Electric wing mirrors
3) No Leather steering wheel
4) No Passenger airbag
5) No Side airbags
6) Less sound-deadening
7) No front fogs
8) No external temp sensor
9) No hear headrests
10) No leather seats, pheonix cloth instead
11) No aircon (optional extra)
12) Rarer (Around 491 made)
13) No Heated wingmirrors
14) No CD changer (optional extra)
15) No Auto wipers
16) No Alarm
17) No Deadlocks
18) No adjustable lumbar on seats
19) No dash dimmer light
20) Decent sized main glovebox & extra upper compartment
21) Lightweight decals, not badges
22) Only 3 colour choices, red & white no charge, black (£250 optionUnsure )
23) 1 piece rear seat backrest, and bottom
24) No rear interior light

mg driver

you can get a zs for 3k.

wilyolddave

Bugger me def a budget model!!! Talk about a tescos value car missing loads! didnt realise that! um gti6 looks better bet - if I can find one where the aircon works!! to be fair I have only found 2 local and the aircon is shot on both!

Not sure about the civic looks a bit boring

Cheers Davy b

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

if you want the same weight as the Rallye, without the pov spec, then get a Phase 1 GTi-6

I had a Rallye first, then a couple of other cars and when I came back to 306 ownership I got a Phase 1 GTi-6, which I preferred