PORSCHE COULDN'T BELEIVE IT!!!
14 August 2006, 08:33 PM
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PORSCHE COULDN'T BELEIVE IT!!!
Was in the Shell Garage this afternoon putting in MR Optimax.
Looked over to the other side of the Forecourt and saw a nice Porsche and, couldn't beleive it.
He's only filling up with orindiary unleaded!!!!
I said to him are you OK ? (on my way in to pay for the Optimax) and he said fine, nice day to drive a Convertible (that's what he was driving!)
He looked dead happy, thought this is a wind up right? couldn't see the cameras from Beedle & Co.
Wished I'd took a Picture with my mobile & posted it here.
Surely they should be run on Optimax???
Anyone know the score?
Thanks.
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Alan MaC
Looked over to the other side of the Forecourt and saw a nice Porsche and, couldn't beleive it.
He's only filling up with orindiary unleaded!!!!
I said to him are you OK ? (on my way in to pay for the Optimax) and he said fine, nice day to drive a Convertible (that's what he was driving!)
He looked dead happy, thought this is a wind up right? couldn't see the cameras from Beedle & Co.
Wished I'd took a Picture with my mobile & posted it here.
Surely they should be run on Optimax???
Anyone know the score?
Thanks.
Kind regards
Alan MaC
14 August 2006, 09:23 PM
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My classic 911 will run on '2 star'/Optimax/cooking fat etc..
It runs best though on straight unleaded and not so happily on Optimax.
Good cars you see, that's what you get for the $$$$.
Graham.
It runs best though on straight unleaded and not so happily on Optimax.
Good cars you see, that's what you get for the $$$$.
Graham.
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14 August 2006, 10:40 PM
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is it because the land of the rising hi-fi believes in using technology to squeeze the maximum from the minimum? Reckon they could get rocket performance from a porka engine in a scoob
Also don't the Japanese revolve around 100RON?
Whereas Germany uses the same soiled chip-shop fat at extortionate price?
Also don't the Japanese revolve around 100RON?
Whereas Germany uses the same soiled chip-shop fat at extortionate price?
14 August 2006, 11:26 PM
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My Golf 2.3 V5 runs on either 95 or 97. Apparently it runs at lower power if you put 95 in it. I can't feel any difference performance wise between the two fuels, but I definately get about 5mpg more out of it when using 97.
Depends what it's been engineered to run on really.
Depends what it's been engineered to run on really.
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Originally Posted by 911
My classic 911 will run on '2 star'/Optimax/cooking fat etc..
It runs best though on straight unleaded and not so happily on Optimax.
Good cars you see, that's what you get for the $$$$.
Graham.
It runs best though on straight unleaded and not so happily on Optimax.
Good cars you see, that's what you get for the $$$$.
Graham.
The stated power figure is using SUL of 98RON plus.
But it would run very happily on PULP too if that was what was available. With my Scoob I would have to park it up if I could only get access to PULP!!
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15 August 2006, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by flynnstudio
let us not forget they are both joined in the blessed union of the boxer engine...and for that they shall always be 500% percent cooler and sexier than all other cars...
15 August 2006, 06:36 AM
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A 911 has 6 cylinders and an Impreza has 4 so the 911 is cooler?
Seriously :
I think all modern cars have knock detection in their ecu's so can adjust to the fuel in the tank to some degree.
The Impreza is squeezed very hard to produce almost 200 bhp/litre (Sti) and the refined fuels of Optimax etc are essential for reliability or is that longevity?
At that level Optimax needs a bit of help with a good booster for stability of the RON and to allow 'radical' timing of fuel/ignition, let alone when you install an Apexi/GEMS etc and let a real focused mapper free on the car...
If having to use Optimax and the others is offensive, buy a 911!
Love or hate them, you cannot ignore the 911.
Had my Golden Oldie for 18 years.
Graham
Seriously :
I think all modern cars have knock detection in their ecu's so can adjust to the fuel in the tank to some degree.
The Impreza is squeezed very hard to produce almost 200 bhp/litre (Sti) and the refined fuels of Optimax etc are essential for reliability or is that longevity?
At that level Optimax needs a bit of help with a good booster for stability of the RON and to allow 'radical' timing of fuel/ignition, let alone when you install an Apexi/GEMS etc and let a real focused mapper free on the car...
If having to use Optimax and the others is offensive, buy a 911!
Love or hate them, you cannot ignore the 911.
Had my Golden Oldie for 18 years.
Graham
15 August 2006, 07:42 AM
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Why is this surprising ? Most scoob owners are "enthusiasts", interested in whats good for their car, and always seeking new information in the best way to maintain their pride and joy. IMO 99% of Porsche owners have no interest in whats under the bonnet nor have any idea there are differing types of fuel to choose from.
You should have asked him what capacity it was, to which i'm sure the reply would have been "Just put about 50 litres in it" or What brake is it running ? "Red one's mate".
You'd see 5 or 6 Porsche's in my neighbourhood before i saw a scoob, yet never ever seen a Porsche owner with his foot down, making the most of probably the most over-engineered car in history. Apparently Porsche's next model is actually called the mid-life crisis.
On the recent Sussex meet i was being followed by a My95 who didn't know the area. We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Months ago i followed 2 Gt3's through a local industrial estate again on a quiet Sunday. Although at the lights they loved revving the life out of them rarely did they actually go above 3000rpm, then they actually arrived at a local Porsche Racing Specialist. I thought "Whats the ****ing point!".
My Mum's next-door-neighbour has an old 911, which is only used on Sundays, when he and his wife put on their matching Porsche jackets and baseball caps (I kid you not) and dare to hit 50mph on the queens highway.
In short i hate Porsche owners for having more money than sense, for actually thinking their car may finally get them laid cos their personality certainly wouldn't. Apologies to the other 1% of Porsche owners who probably are genuine enthusiasts and own one for reasons other than to make them feel like they actually have something useful in their pants
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*Rant Over lol*
You should have asked him what capacity it was, to which i'm sure the reply would have been "Just put about 50 litres in it" or What brake is it running ? "Red one's mate".
You'd see 5 or 6 Porsche's in my neighbourhood before i saw a scoob, yet never ever seen a Porsche owner with his foot down, making the most of probably the most over-engineered car in history. Apparently Porsche's next model is actually called the mid-life crisis.
On the recent Sussex meet i was being followed by a My95 who didn't know the area. We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Months ago i followed 2 Gt3's through a local industrial estate again on a quiet Sunday. Although at the lights they loved revving the life out of them rarely did they actually go above 3000rpm, then they actually arrived at a local Porsche Racing Specialist. I thought "Whats the ****ing point!".
My Mum's next-door-neighbour has an old 911, which is only used on Sundays, when he and his wife put on their matching Porsche jackets and baseball caps (I kid you not) and dare to hit 50mph on the queens highway.
In short i hate Porsche owners for having more money than sense, for actually thinking their car may finally get them laid cos their personality certainly wouldn't. Apologies to the other 1% of Porsche owners who probably are genuine enthusiasts and own one for reasons other than to make them feel like they actually have something useful in their pants
.*Rant Over lol*
15 August 2006, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
Why is this surprising ? Most scoob owners are "enthusiasts", interested in whats good for their car, and always seeking new information in the best way to maintain their pride and joy. IMO 99% of Porsche owners have no interest in whats under the bonnet nor have any idea there are differing types of fuel to choose from.
As a regular visitor to track days and the ring, I'd say the opposite. The Impreza boy(s) turn up, do a lap, complain their brakes are juddering, lift the bonnet and worry about the brake dust on the wheels.
Porsche drivers meanwhile are just doing lap after lap, after 20 mins, they come in, park the car, and turn it off.
Subaru drivers are geeks, who do good pub talk, but are on the whole clueless when it come to driving. They might know what polish is best, which brakes produce the least dust......but when it comes to driving hard.....forget it.
15 August 2006, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by image doctor
Are you for real?
As a regular visitor to track days and the ring, I'd say the opposite. The Impreza boy(s) turn up, do a lap, complain their brakes are juddering, lift the bonnet and worry about the brake dust on the wheels.
Porsche drivers meanwhile are just doing lap after lap, after 20 mins, they come in, park the car, and turn it off.
Subaru drivers are geeks, who do good pub talk, but are on the whole clueless when it come to driving. They might know what polish is best, which brakes produce the least dust......but when it comes to driving hard.....forget it.
As a regular visitor to track days and the ring, I'd say the opposite. The Impreza boy(s) turn up, do a lap, complain their brakes are juddering, lift the bonnet and worry about the brake dust on the wheels.
Porsche drivers meanwhile are just doing lap after lap, after 20 mins, they come in, park the car, and turn it off.
Subaru drivers are geeks, who do good pub talk, but are on the whole clueless when it come to driving. They might know what polish is best, which brakes produce the least dust......but when it comes to driving hard.....forget it.
15 August 2006, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 911
Seriously :
I think all modern cars have knock detection in their ecu's so can adjust to the fuel in the tank to some degree.
The Impreza is squeezed very hard to produce almost 200 bhp/litre (Sti) and the refined fuels of Optimax etc are essential for reliability or is that longevity?
I think all modern cars have knock detection in their ecu's so can adjust to the fuel in the tank to some degree.
The Impreza is squeezed very hard to produce almost 200 bhp/litre (Sti) and the refined fuels of Optimax etc are essential for reliability or is that longevity?
The Porsche handbook recommends SUL - maybe not in yours Graham as it is an antique and they had four star in those days
Also 200bhp/litre is not very good maths is it.
To be precise 276/1.994 = 138.4, so you couldn't even call it a rounding error.
I know you are dramatising for effect, but 138bhp per litre is not that strenuous
As for Porches not racing every Scoob at the lights - to think it is because they think they are above or below anybody is ridiculous. Maybe they just want to enjoy the car on their own and don't feel the need to 'prove themselves' or the need the have the fastest car.
There are a huge number of Porsches on track days and driver development days. Speak to Don Palmer, lots and lots of his customers are Porsche and Ferrari drivers. It is the Subaru and Evo drivers who think they are too good to learn to drive properly. They let the disproportionate grip of super sticky tyres on four wheel drive let them think that they are far better drivers than they actually are.
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15 August 2006, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
Why is this surprising ? Most scoob owners are "enthusiasts", interested in whats good for their car, and always seeking new information in the best way to maintain their pride and joy. IMO 99% of Porsche owners have no interest in whats under the bonnet nor have any idea there are differing types of fuel to choose from.
You should have asked him what capacity it was, to which i'm sure the reply would have been "Just put about 50 litres in it" or What brake is it running ? "Red one's mate".
You'd see 5 or 6 Porsche's in my neighbourhood before i saw a scoob, yet never ever seen a Porsche owner with his foot down, making the most of probably the most over-engineered car in history. Apparently Porsche's next model is actually called the mid-life crisis.
On the recent Sussex meet i was being followed by a My95 who didn't know the area. We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Months ago i followed 2 Gt3's through a local industrial estate again on a quiet Sunday. Although at the lights they loved revving the life out of them rarely did they actually go above 3000rpm, then they actually arrived at a local Porsche Racing Specialist. I thought "Whats the ****ing point!".
My Mum's next-door-neighbour has an old 911, which is only used on Sundays, when he and his wife put on their matching Porsche jackets and baseball caps (I kid you not) and dare to hit 50mph on the queens highway.
In short i hate Porsche owners for having more money than sense, for actually thinking their car may finally get them laid cos their personality certainly wouldn't. Apologies to the other 1% of Porsche owners who probably are genuine enthusiasts and own one for reasons other than to make them feel like they actually have something useful in their pants.
*Rant Over lol*
You should have asked him what capacity it was, to which i'm sure the reply would have been "Just put about 50 litres in it" or What brake is it running ? "Red one's mate".
You'd see 5 or 6 Porsche's in my neighbourhood before i saw a scoob, yet never ever seen a Porsche owner with his foot down, making the most of probably the most over-engineered car in history. Apparently Porsche's next model is actually called the mid-life crisis.
On the recent Sussex meet i was being followed by a My95 who didn't know the area. We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Months ago i followed 2 Gt3's through a local industrial estate again on a quiet Sunday. Although at the lights they loved revving the life out of them rarely did they actually go above 3000rpm, then they actually arrived at a local Porsche Racing Specialist. I thought "Whats the ****ing point!".
My Mum's next-door-neighbour has an old 911, which is only used on Sundays, when he and his wife put on their matching Porsche jackets and baseball caps (I kid you not) and dare to hit 50mph on the queens highway.
In short i hate Porsche owners for having more money than sense, for actually thinking their car may finally get them laid cos their personality certainly wouldn't. Apologies to the other 1% of Porsche owners who probably are genuine enthusiasts and own one for reasons other than to make them feel like they actually have something useful in their pants
.*Rant Over lol*
The ****ing point is GT3's are track metal.
Too many people (I know I have) get hung up on the traffic light GP.
Bang for buck the Subaru, cough(Evo) Supra, Skyline etc are great, but lack the finesse of a Porsche, among others.
Where does sense come into buying and owning something as emotive as a car?
Rant over
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All i've heard so far is "They are great at track days". Surely someone with the money to buy a Gt3 and risk crashing it would be able to afford a nice little ford fiesta for their everyday driving. Sorry but they are used on the road for posing purposes only, and if your going to pose then do it in style.
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
All i've heard so far is "They are great at track days". Surely someone with the money to buy a Gt3 and risk crashing it would be able to afford a nice little ford fiesta for their everyday driving. Sorry but they are used on the road for posing purposes only, and if your going to pose then do it in style.
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
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15 August 2006, 08:58 AM
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Reason being that a Porsche is built properly and doesn't need stupid 98 RON petrol in order to stop itself from blowing to pieces!! Also the new 997 turbo - circa 480bhp - only needs a service every 18000 miles (which incidentally only costs 500 and then 1500 on the 40000 mile.)
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
Originally Posted by 94impreza
Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
15 August 2006, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
Yes - you did!
Still nothing to go against my opinion of them not up for a little fun on the road.
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15 August 2006, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
All i've heard so far is "They are great at track days". Surely someone with the money to buy a Gt3 and risk crashing it would be able to afford a nice little ford fiesta for their everyday driving. Sorry but they are used on the road for posing purposes only, and if your going to pose then do it in style.
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
As for driver training i would jump at the chance to better my skills, if a) i had the money, b)the time, c)was in close proximaty to a track. Never-the-less if anyone can suggest an upcoming event i will improve, I would never be arrogant enough to say just because i know where the accelerator is then i am the best driver in the world, or more knowledgable than a Porsche owner.
All i said is i've yet to see a Porsche owner using their £50k+ car in the way it was designed and made for, anyone care to share a differing opinion ?
Go to a decent track such as Brands on a non Novaboys or Fast Car day and you'll see a variety of top marque motors being ragged by their owners. Re: your comments about porka drivers being arrogant (above everyone else) you are wrong. Its the other road drivers getting green and perceiving the porka drivers to be arrogant. Normally when they are sitting on the 100k+ cars bumper trying to make the driver 'rag' it too!
All I know is go and buy a 100k motor and then see if your driving style changes in anyway ... reflecting the fact you have something that is worth nearly as much as a flat in some areas!